Is defending yourself really that bad?

[canadyjd]

Did I say all the shots were justified? No.
I said I didnt see any shots that were not justified.

In post 83, you said, “in real time, it looks like three shots were justified”

That implies you saw a “real time” video in which all three shots were shown.

If you haven’t seen such a video just say so.

peace to

 

[canadyjd]

I think it should be handled normally. The Governor should have stayed out of it and let Grand Jury handle it. We dont have all the evidence. I trust the DA who was handling it and the Grand Jury who would have heard it. I dont know if the shooting is justified or not. What I know is that it was not simply an innocent black jogger murdered by two white men for no reason. The case is not racial at all. The race pimps are blowing it up.

The DA has been compromised, according to reports.

I appreciate you admitting you don’t know if the shooting was justified or not. I hope you can also realize that, at this point, you don’t know whether or not this was simply an innocent black jogger murdered by two white men for no reason.

The case has major racial significance. All you have to do is imagine a white man running down the street, suspected by two black men of trespassing on a construction site, being stopped, shot and killed and then the DA taking steps that do not appear normal with no charges being filed.

Would you feel the same if the men in the truck were black and the dead man white?

peace to you

 

[MartyF]

I don't believe the reason why what they did wrong was properly articulated.

They did not have justification for an arrest. The law is very specific.

2010 Georgia Code :: TITLE 17 - CRIMINAL PROCEDURE :: CHAPTER 4 - ARREST OF PERSONS :: ARTICLE 4 - ARREST BY PRIVATE PERSONS :: § 17-4-60 - Grounds for arrest

By their own words the duo was stopping the man "to speak with him". This is not justification to make a citizen's arrest. If there is not a justification for the citizen arrest, everything they did becomes a crime - period.

The way they carried their weapons is brandishing. The attempt to stop and hold the man is attempted kidnapping. Since kidnapping is a felony, in most states, this makes the death which occurs afterwards, murder - regardless of who is the cause. Now Georgia may be ok with criminals claiming self-defense when they shoot the convenience store clerk, but usually involuntary manslaughter is still charged.

So once again, it doesn't matter what happened during or just before the shooting. All that matters is if the duo can prove the arrest was legal. Now what do you think is that chance of that is with a non-racist jury? Somewhere between nil and zero.

What happened afterwards is irrelevant. The duo created the situation which caused the death. The duo is responsible for that death.

Now, I will tell you what will happen. This duo will end up dead or jailed for a long time. They might have gotten away with a short or suspended prison sentence before their stupid lawyer decided to make it national, but now they will not be getting off easy.

 

[kyredneck]

I’m really not looking at political gamesmanship after the event.

Everything about this is political, and gullible bleeding hearts fall for it every time.

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

...The case has major racial significance. All you have to do is imagine a white man running down the street, suspected by two black men of trespassing on a construction site, being stopped, shot and killed and then the DA taking steps that do not appear normal with no charges being filed....

It is precisely this kind of nonsense that so exacerbates the national situation. It is terribly dishonest to claim that an incident involving different races is automatically a racial incident. The only way that is true is by people making it into a racial incident. The reason the case is of major racial significance is because ignorant people are being whipped into a frenzy by race-baiters determined to make it so.

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

Jurors bring their experiences into the court. How many have heard the word “neutralize” to mean “kill”? No twisting is necessary, just reinforcing what they already believe....

Yes, people come to court with their baggage and it is the court’s responsibility, or the lawyers’, to dismiss some of them outright, and help others unload some of it before deliberation.

Jurors may not be too favorable toward a lawyer who would try to suppress that in open trial, even to the point that they seriously discount her case.

As a whole, a deliberative jury may appreciate integrity and truth a lot more than you think.

 

[Reynolds]

In post 83, you said, “in real time, it looks like three shots were justified”

That implies you saw a “real time” video in which all three shots were shown.

If you haven’t seen such a video just say so.

peace to

In real time there appears to be no unjustified shots. If three were indeed fired.

 

[Reynolds]

The DA has been compromised, according to reports.

I appreciate you admitting you don’t know if the shooting was justified or not. I hope you can also realize that, at this point, you don’t know whether or not this was simply an innocent black jogger murdered by two white men for no reason.

The case has major racial significance. All you have to do is imagine a white man running down the street, suspected by two black men of trespassing on a construction site, being stopped, shot and killed and then the DA taking steps that do not appear normal with no charges being filed.

Would you feel the same if the men in the truck were black and the dead man white?

peace to you

That is my problem with this. It is not about race at all. Same would have happened had all been white. All the race pimps are trying to make it racial when it is not.

 

[Salty]

Sounds more like a lawyer or a lawyer wanna be to me. Regardless, nothing escapes the justice of our Lord.

Hmm , I wonder if canadyjd is personally involved in this case????

 

[canadyjd]

That is my problem with this. It is not about race at all. Same would have happened had all been white. All the race pimps are trying to make it racial when it is not.

Nice try to avoid the question. What if the men in the truck were black and dead man white?

peace to you

 

[canadyjd]

Hmm , I wonder if canadyjd is personally involved in this case????

No

peace to you

 

[canadyjd]

Everything about this is political, and gullible bleeding hearts fall for it every time.

Like I said, I’m just interested in assessing the claim of self- defense by the father/son.

I do see a racial element in this.

peace to you

 

[canadyjd]

In real time there appears to be no unjustified shots. If three were indeed fired.

Sigh, again, sigh, oh bother

peace to you

 

[Reynolds]

Nice try to avoid the question. What if the men in the truck were black and dead man white?

peace to you

It would be no different.

I am sure Black men jog down the streets of South Georgia daily without getting shot for jogging. I am sure that over the years these two men have seen many jogging black men and never shot one. The reason this man was encountered and ultimately shot had nothing to do with racial motive or with jogging.

 

[canadyjd]

It would be no different.

I am sure Black men jog down the streets of South Georgia daily without getting shot for jogging. I am sure that tlover the years these two men have seen many jogging black men and never shot one. The reason this man was encountered and ultimately shot had nothing to do with racial motive or with jogging.

Well, I’m trying to imagine what kind mindset a person must have to chase someone down with guns ready when the worst thing possible that occurred was trespass.

There is something else going on here and I don’t think a racial motive can be ruled out absent some other reasonable explanation.

peace to you

 

[Reynolds]

Well, I’m trying to imagine what kind mindset a person must have to chase someone down with guns ready when the worst thing possible that occurred was trespass.

There is something else going on here and I don’t think a racial motive can be ruled out absent some other reasonable explanation.

peace to you

Burglary, not trespass. People get mad when their stuff gets stolen. People get real mad when their stuff gets stolen.

 

[canadyjd]

Burglary, not trespass. People get mad when their stuff gets stolen. People get real mad when their stuff gets stolen.

Nothing was stolen. For all you know, he walked into the construction site looking for the boss to ask for a job. Seeing no one around, he left. He didn’t take anything. Nothing was stolen.

To declare “burglary” is to assume you know his intent. You don’t know it and neither did the father/son.

But you are right about something. They got mad, real mad. So mad they got their guns and went looking for this man.

What could it possibly be about this particular man walking onto that construction site that made them “real mad?” What is it about him that made them so mad they got their guns, hunted him down and shot him to death? Hummmmm? What could it be??????

peace to you

 

[Reynolds]

Nothing was stolen. For all you know, he walked into the construction site looking for the boss to ask for a job. Seeing no one around, he left. He didn’t take anything. Nothing was stolen.

To declare “burglary” is to assume you know his intent. You don’t know it and neither did the father/son.

But you are right about something. They got mad, real mad. So mad they got their guns and went looking for this man.

What could it possibly be about this particular man walking onto that construction site that made them “real mad?” What is it about him that made them so mad they got their guns, hunted him down and shot him to death? Hummmmm? What could it be??????

peace to you

Early reports were that stuff had been stolen and the "jogger" matched the video.

You are going to race pimp this. Your mind is made up. You think we are all a bunch of racist rednecks. Go right on thinking that.

 

[Salty]

To declare “burglary” is to assume you know his intent. You don’t know it and neither did the father/son.

But you are right about something. They got mad, real mad. So mad they got their guns and went looking for this man.

So you know for a fact they got mad - or or you just assuming?

 

[777]

LOL, "for a job", try "spotter". What I want to know is how did he get there?

Everything about this is political, and gullible bleeding hearts fall for it every time.

they need to be let be, if they can't learn from the past, it's a shame and it's sad to see the MSM and other race-baiters still wield so much influence. Look at the people behind hyping this, Benjamin Crump???

And the jogger bs, must be some jogger to be eight miles away from his house at the time and wearing THAT. These people defending the jogger have only seen that one tape, and who's to say it wasn't edited like in Covington and the Rodney King beating to make it seem like it wasn't what it was. Need more info, and supposedly, it's on the way and not so good again for "the jogger".