Is Drinking, Smoking, and Dipping a Sin

[saturneptune]

I certainly have given plenty of Scripture over the last year or more concerning wine in the Bible.

It is your and others choice to deny Scripture command for abstinence.

It is you and others who want to blaspheme the Lord by falsely putting alcohol into His hand as the Pharisee's did when He walked this earth.

The christ you are presenting in this room is not the Christ that died on the cross as the sacrificial Lamb that taketh away the sins of the world.

You just dont get it. For the twentieth time, I believe it is a sin to drink. We agree on this. What I adamantly disagree with you is that you believe that drinking is wrong based on self will, and your interpretation of some passages in the Old Testement. I believe it is wrong to drink because of Holy Spirit conviction, seering the conscience of a weaker Christian, and my witness to my family, and those who need the Gospel. There is a vast gulf between what we believe, and I believe your position to be an exercise in Pharisaical futility.

The Christ I am presenting in this room is a picture of faith. The christ you are presenting is a works salvation.

Oh, and hope your sinless program is going well.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

You have used other people's writings to support your views, and now that you biblical views have been completely refuted, you now turn to Shakespeare.

 

[standingfirminChrist]

npetrely and Snitzelhoff:

I have read all of the posts in the room and to give you two the benefit of the doubt, I called the hospital and checked there concerning whether the alcohol they use prior to injection enters the bloodstream. I was informed that it does not enter the bloodstream as it evaporates on the surface of the skin.

HBSMN is right on when he states that rubbing alcohol can only enter the blood stream via an injection or swallowing it.

As to the claims of Christ drinking or giving others to drink an alcoholic beverage, He would not... Scripture shows that.

**Insult removed**

 

[His Blood Spoke My Name]

You have used other people's writings to support your views, and now that you biblical views have been completely refuted, you now turn to Shakespeare.

One cannot refute the Bible and win Curtis. Bible wins every time.

Abstinence is commanded in the Scripture.

 

[standingfirminChrist]

As blackbird pointed out this morning, one cannot just make a profession of faith and throw away the rulebook.

James wrote faith without works is dead being alone.

Just because [a person] walks the aisle and saiys a simple prayer, is everything now all is hunky-dory? That now you can live how you want?

If so, then they are deceived and it is a great possibility that their profession of faith in Christ was nothing more than wasted words.

There are rules to be followed. The Bible lays out many do's and don't's. Abstinence from alcohol is one of them.

rewritten and edited because it was an attack against the salvation of other posters. That is against BB rules. Be careful in the future.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

You doubt our salvation ? Say I wouldn't recognize Christ if he knocked ?

What a bunch of self-righteous hooey.

Judge not. Seems to me that's said somewhere in scripture, also.

 

[His Blood Spoke My Name]

You just dont get it. For the twentieth time, I believe it is a sin to drink. We agree on this. What I adamantly disagree with you is that you believe that drinking is wrong based on self will, and your interpretation of some passages in the Old Testement. I believe it is wrong to drink because of Holy Spirit conviction, seering the conscience of a weaker Christian, and my witness to my family, and those who need the Gospel. There is a vast gulf between what we believe, and I believe your position to be an exercise in Pharisaical futility.

The Christ I am presenting in this room is a picture of faith. The christ you are presenting is a works salvation.

Oh, and hope your sinless program is going well.

self-will? Self has nothing to do with it. The Bible commands abstinence in both the Old and New Testaments. And since it is the Word of God that teaches it, your accusation that I am exercising in Pharisaical futulity is unfounded.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

One cannot refute the Bible and win Curtis. Bible wins every time.

Abstinence is commanded in the Scripture.

20 something pages and you have failed to prove it. The bible simply does not say what you say it does.

 

[standingfirminChrist]

Everyone want to throw out the 'judge not' whenever sin is revealed.

But the Word of God of God tells us to 'judge righteous judgment', Curtis.

If one is looking for a christ who drinks alcohol, and condones the drinking of alcohol, one is not going to know the Christ of the Bible if He comes to their door.

And guess what, He won't know them either.

 

[His Blood Spoke My Name]

20 something pages and you have failed to prove it. The bible simply does not say what you say it does.

Oh, it says it, Curtis. You... and others, just refuse to open your eyes.

 

[Linda64]

If one drinks too much water, he is also no longer sober. In fact, you'll be drunk. Therefore never let another drop of water touch your lips.

Don't tell me you can drink water in moderation and be fine, because you can drink wine in moderation and be fine, too. That's especially true of wine in NT times, since, if I recall correctly, they mixed it with evil water which dilutes the alcohol. So moderation is no excuse.

If your doctor dabs alcohol on you, blood tests would show that you have alcohol in your bloodstream. If you drink evil water, blood tests would show that you have water in your system. If you eat anything with poppy seeds, blood tests will show that you have some opiates in your system.

I notice you're not responding to any of this. What's wrong? Are we poking holes in your self-righteousness?

Do you drink strychnine in moderation? Don't get ridiculous, water does not make one drunk no matter how much water one drinks. What in the world is "evil" water? (scotch on the rocks?)

As for rubbing alcohol, the type that a doctor puts on your skin before an injection---you must be nuts to believe that the alcohol (isopropyl or ethyl) gets into your bloodstream. Any medical professional will tell you that the alcohol evaporates on the skin. As a matter of fact, any topical medication--even hand lotion--does not enter the bloodstream. Topical medications and lotions enter the pores of your skin, but not the bloodstream. No substance will enter the bloodstream unless it is injected or ingested. Try talking to some medical professionals instead of Wikipedia (a totally unreliable source). Apparently HBSMN has done this and so has my husband, SFIC--why do you question those sources? Do your own research and you just might find out the truth--or are you trying to justify drinking in moderation?

 

[His Blood Spoke My Name]

You have used other people's writings to support your views, and now that you biblical views have been completely refuted, you now turn to Shakespeare.

Since the Word of God says that fermented wine is the poison of dragons, Shakespeare was correct in his statement that

Alcohol is a poison men take into the mouth to steal away the brain.​

 

[Bro. Curtis]

No substance will enter the bloodstream unless it is injected or ingested.

This is just not true. There are plenty of caustic chemicals that will enter the bloodstream. Denaured alcohol isn't one of them, but there are plenty others.

http://extoxnet.orst.edu/tibs/entryfat.htm

 

[JustChristian]

You have used other people's writings to support your views, and now that you biblical views have been completely refuted, you now turn to Shakespeare.

In my view, Shakespeare was more eloquent than Teddy Roosevelt although TR said some things that I really admire.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

Everyone want to throw out the 'judge not' whenever sin is revealed.

But the Word of God of God tells us to 'judge righteous judgment', Curtis.

If one is looking for a christ who drinks alcohol, and condones the drinking of alcohol, one is not going to know the Christ of the Bible if He comes to their door.

And guess what, He won't know them either.

You telling me I wouldn't recognize Jesus is not righteous judgement. Far from it.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

In my view, Shakespeare was more eloquent than Teddy Roosevelt although TR said some things that I really admire.

No doubt. Which one was the better Christian ?

 

[standingfirminChrist]

You telling me I wouldn't recognize Jesus is not righteous judgement. Far from it.

Curtis, if you are looking for a Jesus that drinks, you are not going to recognize the Son of God who does not drink.

If you were looking for a person you never saw come into town in a red Toyota, and she came instead in a blue Mercury, how would you know her?

You cannot look for Christ to be wearing your cloak of righteousness, He comes clothed in His own Righteousness.

 

[Amy.G]

No substance will enter the bloodstream unless it is injected or ingested

This is not true. Chemicals absolutely enter the bloodstream through the skin. For instance there are dermal patches for hormone replacement therapy, birth control, nitroglycerine, and many others. Not to mention care should be taken when using pesticides. Even Bengay can be lethal when used incorrectly.

 

[EdSutton]

I'm so happy, after reading 24 pages, that this thread has not become fixated on whether the "wine", "cup:, and "fruit of the vine" in the Bible were alcoholic or not in each instance. I was afraid it would produce the same arguments form "erach side" that have been on the BB so many times. And it didn't center on smoking or dipping, either, which were part of the OP.

And we are well past page 20, as well.

Think I'll light up a "victory seegar" in tribute!

Ed

 

[Bro. Curtis]

Curtis, if you are looking for a Jesus that drinks, you are not going to recognize the Son of God who does not drink.

If you were looking for a person you never saw come into town in a red Toyota, and she came instead in a blue Mercury, how would you know her?

You cannot look for Christ to be wearing your cloak of righteousness, He comes clothed in His own Righteousness.

Yes. A cloak of his righteosness, not yours.

And nobody here is saying Christ was a wino. But saying he never touched the stuff, and saying those who do won't recognize him is hogwash. Prove it.

The reason I'll recognize him, is his promise to me. I ,m not a drunkard, but once was. Praise God he lifted me out of that swamp, and the last thing I will do is go into a sleazy bar and order a beer. That does not give me the right to tell somebody else they can't possibly be saved because they don't walk with the same understanding I do.

You, sir, have zero authority to tell me who Christ will recognize and who he won't. People like you damage the word of God, turning it into who's saved and who's not, by their works. There is no list of do's & don't's in Christianity. Chritianity is about what's been DONE, on the cross, with no help at all from humans. The rest is up to the Holy Spirit, not a bunch of self-pious folks who stand on scripture more than they read it.

Over, & out.