Is Drinking Wine Wrong??

[DHK]

And again He said, "To what shall I compare the kingdom of God? "It is like leaven, which a woman took and hid in three pecks of flour until it was all leavened" [Luke 13:20-22].

Ain't it great that Linda and DHK think the Kingdom of God is "sin and corruption?"

Jesus was teaching of the Kingdom of God. What was his point? A parable is used to get across one central point. Not everything in the parable takes on a particular meaning. As I asked another poster who was trying to do the same thing with another parable: What does the broom represent in the parable where the woman was searching for her lost coin?
What does the broom represent??
DHK

 

[DHK]

Interesting comment. I can't find a single reference in the scripture to "unfermented wine." The bacteria count in any unfermented fruit beverage of that day would have been enough to kill someone.

And all the infants fed juice in Bible times were drunk and killed by the juice that they were fed!!

Your assertion that yeast is a symbol of corruption in the Bible is unfounded and without support. It is not consistently used as such. Moreover, once the fermentation process is complete, wine is pure, and has the capability of cleansing the inner body. That probably had a lot to do with why Jesus chose it as a symbol, that and the fact that it was being served at dinner that night and was handy.

You do err not knowing the scriptures neither the power of God.

2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

 

[Alcott]

Then....

You can't get around it no matter how you justify it.
Fermented wine, (yeast--a symbol of corruption in the Bible)

Now, after Jesus was quoted as using yeast to represent the Kingodm...

Jesus was teaching of the Kingdom of God....A parable is used to get across one central point. Not everything in the parable takes on a particular meaning.

 

[Linda64]

Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump? (1 Corinthians 5:6)

Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us: (1 Corinthians 5:7)

And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life. (Revelation 21:27)

 

[Brother Bob]

If its ok to drink fermented wine then what is the difference jumping from that to whiskey, more acholol content or what?

 

[Alcott]

The difference between fermented wine and whiskey? Just try them; you'll find out.

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

I don't understand DHK either. Now he says wine (there's only one kind of 'wine' whatever name it is given) represents the Kingdom of God; then he says to use it for Holy Communion is blasphemous?

In any case, DHK, I haven't seen if you have answered me when I elsewhere made the point the Last Supper was NOT the Passover meal - for MANY reasons. How couls it have been the Passover meal when the Lamb of God's Passover had not yet been slain?

The Scriptures without exception uses some form of Subjunctive mood when referring to the meal that was eaten that night; "SO THAT they MIGHT eat the Passover" - like the Reformed Church here in South Africa have a 'Preparatory Service' (Voorbereidingsdiens) before every Holy Communion (Nagmaal). WHY: Because it was the last ORDINARY meal-occasion for which occasion ORDINARY bread was used (and ordinary wine), BEFORE the Feast of UN-leavened bread.

Jesus said He is the Bread of Life - of life-usual too! implying the use of ORDINARY bread for the representation of Him during the Lord's Supper.

 

[standingfirminChrist]

And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life. (Revelation 21:27)

For those who say there will be fermented wine in heaven...

How can fermented wine (that which destroys homes, health, and happiness) be in heaven when the Word of God says nothing that defiles will be in heaven?

The answer? It won't!

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

For me to insist on 'un-fermented wine' - a misnomer - for the Lord's Supper is no different than Jewish legalism! For the above obvious reasons.

 

[His Blood Spoke My Name]

Gerhard,

For fermented wine to be used in the Communion means the pastor would not be able to participate in communion at all. For the pastor is not to be given to wine. Communion wine is not to be alcoholic.

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life. (Revelation 21:27)

For those who say there will be fermented wine in heaven...

How can fermented wine (that which destroys homes, health, and happiness) be in heaven when the Word of God says nothing that defiles will be in heaven?

The answer? It won't!

Let us stand in Christ, and not in our own pietism.

Wine cannot work abomination - just man is able to. Wine does not defile - it (medically) may even purify; it is the drunkerd who defiles his own soul through intemperance;

It is humans - persons - who are prohibited or kept from entering the Kingdom of God - not the created by God object of wine.

I have seen men destroying their literal homes and there are women who kill the love-relationship of families - is wine going to be thrown into hell because of thier misdeeds?

 

[His Blood Spoke My Name]

So, the drunkard would destroy his own liver even without the alcohol? The drunkard would destroy brain cells without the alcohol? The drunkard would destroy his stomach even without the alcohol?

No, the alcohol mocks and deceives. True, the man's heart is deceitful above all others and desparately wicked, but the alcohol destroys., Many a soul is in hell today because of giving in to that evil drink.

You know, Jesus said if a man looks after a woman to lust after her in his heart, he has already committed adultery. I bet the same principle stands with alcohol. If you just desire one glass, you are the same as a drunkard.

 

[webdog]

Many a soul is in hell today because of giving in to that evil drink.

There is nobody in hell because of alcohol. If you believe this, you need to start reading your Bible.

bet the same principle stands with alcohol. If you just desire one glass, you are the same as a drunkard.

So with your flawed logic, desiring a T-bone steak makes me a glutton? You anti alcohol crowd really sound more foolish the more you talk.

 

[His Blood Spoke My Name]

God is against alcohol. His Word states this. Are you calling Him foolish?

Oh that's right, the things of the Spirit are foolishness to the natural mind.

 

[Alcott]

God is against alcohol. His Word states this. Are you calling Him foolish?

No, we're calling you foolish. Exactly where are those words, "God is against alcohol?"

 

[DHK]

Then....


Now, after Jesus was quoted as using yeast to represent the Kingodm...

You can do better than that Alcott.
Now answer my question: What did the broom represent in the parable of the lost coin?

 

[DHK]

I don't understand DHK either. Now he says wine (there's only one kind of 'wine' whatever name it is given) represents the Kingdom of God; then he says to use it for Holy Communion is blasphemous?

Did I say that? Quote me. In a previous post I explained very carefully that the words yayin (Hebrew) and oinos (Greek) both translated wine in the KJV, may either have the meaning of fermented wine or unfermented wine as in grape juice. Only by the context can one determine the meaning of the word. One does not get drunk by drinking grape juice, and alcohol is not used to represent the Lord's blood. Again that is blasphemous. It symbolic of: sin, corruption, evil, false doctrine, etc. "Beware of the leaven of the Pharisees."
What does the word "cider" mean to you? It has two meanings in English, and that should be very obvious to one who travels.

In any case, DHK, I haven't seen if you have answered me when I elsewhere made the point the Last Supper was NOT the Passover meal - for MANY reasons. How couls it have been the Passover meal when the Lamb of God's Passover had not yet been slain?

It is well known (despite your objections) that the Lord Jesus Christ instituted what we now call the "Lord's Supper" during the Passover meal. Of that there is no doubt. Christ is our passover lamb. Because He hadn't been led to the cross yet is irrelevant. You are reading too much into the Scripture. The meal was symbolic, as was every animal sacrifice in the Old Testament. Every animal sacrifice in the Old Testament looked forward to Christ. The blood that was spilt looked forward to the blood that Christ would spill on the cross. Thus John came on the scene and in John 1:29, seeing Jesus, he declared:

John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

Jesus said He is the Bread of Life - of life-usual too! implying the use of ORDINARY bread for the representation of Him during the Lord's Supper.

This is a ludicrous argument. The feast was always with unleavened bread. The Lord's Supper is historically eaten with unleavened bread. History, commentaries of all denominational backgrounds attest to the same fact. Nothing but unleavened bread has ever been used in the elements of the Lord's Table in almost any denomination. The inconsistency comes when that same denomination holds to an unbiblical "tradtion" and drinks "leavened" wined, thus symbolizing corruption in the blood of Christ. What kind of logic you find in that I will never know.
DHK

 

[DHK]

The Bar

By a convict serving a life term in Joliet Prison, Illinois

The Saloon is sometimes called a Bar,
A Bar to heaven, a door to hell
Whoever named it, named it well;
A Bar to manliness and wealth
A door to want and broken health;
A Bar to honor, pride and fame
A door to grief and sin and shame;
A Bar to hope, a bar to prayer
A door to darkness and despair;
A Bar to honored useful life
A door to brawling, senseless strife;
A Bar to all that's true and brave
A door to every drunkard's grave;
A Bar to joys that home imparts
A door to tears and aching hearts;
A Bar to heaven, a door to hell
Whoever named it, named it well!

God's Word says: "Nor thieves, not covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God." (1Cor.6:10)

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[Alcott]

Now answer my question: What did the broom represent in the parable of the lost coin?

Read it yourself and maybe you can clean this one up.

 

[DHK]

Read it yourself and maybe you can clean this one up.

No, I want your answer. Please don't show your ignorance on this board. Just answer the question.
DHK