You're not addressing the point, but deliberately deflecting the question asked to you. You do not keep Lev.23, because you believe NT scriptures tell us we don't have to keep them, but you seem to argue that "everything not deleted is repeated", yet if you're not keeping your linens separate, then you must believe that more than just sacrifices have ended.BobRyan said:I continually address this point - and you continually ignore it.
I keep saying that I could simply IGNORE Lev 19:18 OR Lev 19:19 and it would "PROVE NOTHING" from a doctrinal point of view. My practice is not "doctrinal proof" of something.
You keep arguing that my practice WOULD PROVE some doctrinal position on what is or is not to be kept in scripture.
I keep challenging you on that point - and you simply ignore it -- declaring that it is "PROOF" that we do not need to keep some part of the OT.
How can my PRACTICE be valid PROOF either FOR or against any doctrine???
Lev.23 is scripture, and was given by inspiration by God, but we all believe it is no longer commanded to us. But that does not make it cease being inspired scripture. I wouldn't even call it "ignoring" it; it is in their to teach us the history of God's dealing with Israel, but not for us to observe after Christ's sacrifice.EVEN NT authors argue that ALL SCRIPTURE is given by inspiriation from God - AND IS profitable for doctrine, correction, instruction and reproof. YOU argue "YES but if I ever catch you failing to submit to any point in all of scripture then you can never hold up scripture to Christians as something to be kept, honored and obeyed".
Are you sure you are totally comfortable with that as a doctrinal position against upholding the Word of God -- ALL the Word of God????
Is sinless perfection the prerequisite for every bible teacher, pastor, evangelist, parent, Christian neighbor???
In Christ,
Bob
Now what you are saying sounds like "no, I don't keep my linens separate, but never mind what I do; that's no excuse for you not to keep the rest of the Law". That's true; it would be no excuse IF either v.19:19 or ch.11 were still in effect, but we're trying to prove here whether they are still binding or not, and what you have done is simply pick and choose which you think are still in effect (based on other OT passages like Is.66, which has been shown not to involve us today)...
...So for the sake of consistency, you know you have no basis to say that 19:19 is no longer binding, yet you apparently do not keep it, and thus caught with your hands in the jar, you have to deflect your way out of it. Thus, again, why are you telling me to keep all the Laws in Leviticus, what you do not? (Sort of like Paul asking Peter why he commands Christians to "live as Jews" when he is not. It's not about what I see you breaking, but about what you "ignore" and command others to do)So if the argument is "WHICH do we keep and on what basis" I have given it - time after time after time.
In answer to Lev 19:18 - I have no text of scripture justifying someone who seeks to ignore it.
In answer to Lev 19:19 - I have no text of scripture justifying someone who seeks to ignore it.
I have given my answer on Civil laws - they only apply while the Theocracy - the government enforcing those civil laws - exists.
I have given you my answer on MORAL LAWS - such as the ten commandments that define what sin is -- they STILL exist!
I have given you my answer on ceremonial laws - such as the ANNUAL Sabbaths of Lev 23 based on animal sacrifices. When God states in Heb 10 that He has ended those sacrifices then the laws based upon them are completed.
I have given you my answre on the HEALTH laws of Lev (for example) where decaying flesh, humans, rats ,cats bats ets are forbidden as food for humans. I point out that christ did not die on the cross to alter the biology of rats making them FOOD for humans NOR to allow humans to eat human flesh. It is ALL not fit for food JUST as our Creator stated in Lev 11.
You have never shown such categories in the NT. What scriptures say "such and such commandments were CIVIL ONLY and ended when the nation ended"? (This is like an argument that other person who showed up here last year insisted, yet without a shred of scripture to support it). No scriptures even make the Ten Commandments ALL "MORAL". The last six are moral, because "moral" means dealing with our fellow man. The first three are spiritual, dealing with God. The fourth is a combination of spiritual and civil, because it is for God, but it also governs the nation's trade.
Only the Ceremonial laws you are forced to acknowledge have cesed, because we have two NT scriptures dirctly saying they ended, leaving no way to get around that. Hoiwever, Colossians and other passages tell us that the rest of the Law of Moses has ended as well. What continues is universal moral laws, some of which were the same as the Ten Commandments, and hence repeated.