This thread has turned into a perfect example of a way to not debate. The question was clear to me from the beginning. It's been clear this whole time.
The example of the homosexuals given were not to bring the discussion to homosexuality, but to provide a visual so that anyone not understanding could figure out what type of mannerisms Luke was talking about. He was asking, is it ok for a straight man to act like this?
He did not ask if it was sinful. He did not ask if that made them homosexual. He did not ask if they could help it, in fact said that he conceded that if they couldn't help it, it was ok.
CTB, you keep asking for specific examples. He gave them, in the link. That was a perfect example of how a man would act effeminantly, whether he was gay or straight.
Diamondlady, I do not mean to insult your intelligence at all. But it has been clear what Luke has been asking from the first post. I read the first post, and was going to reply. But I typically don't reply to a first post without reading what others have said. My point is, I understood it enough to reply after only reading the OP.
Now, to answer you, Luke. There are certain things which society claims are more effeminant, but are ok. And there are some that aren't. If a guy walked up to me and and had a limp wrist, touched my shoulder, and said with a lisp, "That's so super!" I would immediately be wary of him, and assume he was a homosexual. If he was a straight man (and claimed to be a Christian), I would take him aside and explain to him that his actions told the world that he was a homosexual.
Is this right? Is it ok that the world would immediately judge him? Probably not. But the beholder makes the rules of perception. If the world perceives someone to be gay, even if it's unfair, then that person should change (again, barring any physical reason why they can't.)
That being said, some men act more effimenantly simply because of the way they grew up. They might not have had a male figure to look to, and so picked up on a mother's feminine mannerisms. In this case, we need to take this man "under our wing" and teach him how to be a man. Not to judge him, but so that when the world looks at him, he does not give them any cause to believe that we as Christians condone homosexuality.
Now, there are some things that, taken out of context, seem effeminant but may not be in context. Take myself for an example. When not in my military uniform, I use hairgel and "mess" my hair in a "spikey" manner. I wear a silver necklace and a silver bracelet with a couple small diamond studs in them. I wear italian cut button up shirts, nice jeans, and nice shoes. I enjoy having my fingernails well manicured. I am what some refer to as a "meterosexual", a heterosexual man that likes to take care of himself and how he appears, dresses nice.
Each one of those may seem a little effeminant. But, I have a 38" chest and 34" waist. I walk with a purpose with my shoulders squared back. When someone does something wrong (like drop a cigarette butt on the ground, or cuss in front of my wife and kids) I call them on it. I am not limp wristed, I love sports and being outside. I have stepped into the cage a time or two and competed in MMA matches.
If you were to take one thing such as wearing a bracelet, or having nice nails, it might seem effeminant. But you have to take the whole package together. There's not one man in my unit who would ever accuse me of being a homosexual. If you were to see me on the street, you would not think I was a homosexual. Very good looking and well dressed, maybe; but not a homosexual.:laugh:
So, to answer your question bluntly and simply; yes, it is a problem and we should be aware of it. However, we shouldn't be too quick to judge and should keep the mindset of furthering the cause of Christ, not the mindset of just correcting people to be correcting people.
