37818
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A prophecy of Jesus' bodily resurrection. Acts 13:33.
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Is Eternal Sonship of Jesus Biblical?
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Dave G
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"The Word was made flesh amd dwelt among us."
My question, for those who would ask, is... who is "the Word" being described in John 1?
Who is the Word who was with God and was God, was made flesh and dwelt among us?
If not Jesus Christ the Son of the living God, then I know of no other.
"Let there be Light."
The Word was with God.
Did the Word say, "Let there be light"?
Did the God say, "Let there be light"?
Or did what was said, "Let there be Light," become flesh?
because it is God who said, Out of darkness light is to shine, who did shine in our hearts, for the enlightening of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ. 2 Cor 4:6 YLT
Alan Dale Gross
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Yes, I believe He did, just as in Jesus' Pre-existant Appearance as "the Voice of The Lord was Walking in the Garden in the cool of the day", however, again, by saying Jesus Spoke, "let there be light", which was in regard to the physical light in the Heavens bringing the Created Universe out of physical darkness upon the face of the deep, is not intended to be a reference to Jesus becoming into Existence only at the Creation of the Universe, even stretching it to also apply that primary interpretation to the facts regarding God Creating man, man being in darkness and then, Jesus saying "let the Spiritual Light of God Shine in their hearts", in so many words, when God Saves souls.
Jesus, being the Same Essence and Nature of God the Father has always Existed,
Eternally, as Truely God, without beginning, as a Lamb Slain before the Foundation of the World, meaning, from Effectually, Eternity Past, Forever and Ever Ago...
See, for innumerable Blessings to behold, John Gill's Body of Doctrinal Divinity:https://ccel.org/ccel/gill/doctrinal/doctrinal.ii.xxvi.html
Chapter 26. Of The Unity Of God
Chapter 27. Of A Plurality In The Godhead; Or, A Trinity Of Persons In The Godhead, Chapter 28. Of The Personal Relations; Or, Relative Properties Which Distinguish the Three Persons in the Divine Godhead,
Chapter 29. Of The Distinct Personality, And Deity Of The Father,
Chapter 30. Of The Distinct Personality, And Deity Of The Son,
Chapter 31. Of The Distinct Personality, And Deity Of The Holy Spirit
John Gill's Body of Doctrinal Divinity.
Not that it matters because it's just speculation (more philosophy rather than true theology), but I always pictured the Father speaking and everything being created through the Word.
Alan Dale Gross
Active Member
I thought this was fun stuff to read about the O.P.
"By the term “processions,” theologians mean the eternal “going forth” (Micah 5:2) of the Son and the Holy Spirit from the other divine Persons.
"The Son is of the Father. The Holy Spirit is of the Father and the Son.
"These processions reveal profound truths about the divine Persons. The Son of God is not simply the Son because He became man. He was the divine Son from eternity. The Holy Spirit did not begin to be the Spirit of the Father and the Son at creation. He was the Spirit of the Father and the Son from eternity. These names are true of each Person eternally.
"The key point that the processions seek to explain is how one divine Person is “from” another. To put it another way, how is God the Son a Son if He never had a beginning? Well, the answer is that He was eternally the Son of God the Father.
"He never began to be the Son of God the Father, He always was the Son of the Father.
"The same is true of the Holy Spirit. He was always the Spirit of the Father and the Son.
"The Son comes from the Father eternally, and the Spirit comes from the Father and the Son eternally. The Father is from no other.
"Thus, there are two processions that we see in Scripture: the eternal generation of the Son, and the procession of the Holy Spirit.
"First, there is the eternal generation of the Son. When we speak of the eternal generation of the Son, we note that God the Son is “eternally begotten.” This is clearly taught in John 3:16: “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.” (KJV)
"The Son is eternally begotten of the Father. This means that God the Son is eternally the Son of God the Father. He has never begun to be the Son of the Father. He has always been the Son of the Father.
"There was no time when God the Son did not exist. And there was no time when God the Son was not the Son of God the Father. He eternally comes from the Father as His Son. As Micah 5:2 states, His “goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.”
"And so we must understand that God the Son is eternally begotten, revealing the nature and the character of God fully. Just as earthly sons reflect the nature of their fathers, so also does God the Son reflect the divine nature of God the Father from eternity. His Sonship is the eternal going forth and mirroring of the Father’s divine nature.
"One aspect of this that is helpful to understand is that the Son always reflects the glory of the Father as an image reflects the glory of the original. We read in Genesis 5:3 that Adam “begat a son in his own likeness, after his image.”
"Human sons bear the image of their fathers, reflecting who they are in many ways. But Jesus is called the Image of God (Colossians 1:15; 2 Corinthians 4:4; Hebrews 1:3). This means that He eternally reflects the glory of God the Father perfectly. There is no time in which He did not reflect the glory of the Father. Nor is there any way that the Son fails to communicate the Father’s divine nature truly and perfectly.
"So in what sense is Jesus the Son? He is the Son as He eternally comes from the Father, reflecting the fullness of the Father’s divine nature. He is eternally begotten, meaning that He never began to be the Son, but He has always been the Son. He is continually of the Father, reflecting the fullness of His divine nature.
"And this is precisely what Scripture teaches. In John 5:26, we read,
“For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself.”
"The Lord Jesus is the Source of life even as God the Father is.
Moreover, the Son and the Father are one in nature.
“I and my Father are one.” (John 10:30)
"The Son eternally communicates the character of the Father, full of grace and truth: “And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.” (John 1:14)
"The eternally begotten Son communicates the glory of God in all of its fullness.
“The Son…being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his Person.” (Hebrews 1:2,3) Jesus is the eternally begotten Son of God."
More at:
Eternal Processions: What It Means for the Son to Be Begotten
Ekklesian
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Yes. Which Person of the Trinity was He, 'before' He was the Son?
Or did what was said, "Let there be Light," become flesh?
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God,
In him was life, and the life was the light of men,
this one came for testimony, that he might testify about the Light, that all might believe through him;
that one was not the Light, but -- that he might testify about the Light.
He was the true Light, which doth enlighten every man, coming to the world;
And the Word [the Light] became flesh, and did tabernacle among us, and we beheld his glory, glory as of an only begotten of a father, full of grace and truth.
Let there be Light.
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God,
In him was life, and the life was the light of men,
this one came for testimony, that he might testify about the Light, that all might believe through him;
that one was not the Light, but -- that he might testify about the Light.
He was the true Light, which doth enlighten every man, coming to the world;
And the Word [the Light] became flesh, and did tabernacle among us, and we beheld his glory, glory as of an only begotten of a father, full of grace and truth.
Let there be Light.
37818
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He was always the Son when He appeared as God, Genesis 12:7, . . . the LORD appeared . . . . Per John 1:18, No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
Ekklesian
Member
That's to be understood in relation to Christ's eternal priesthood. "Today" is the eternal day.
So also Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest; but he that said unto him, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee. As he saith also in another place, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec. - Hebrews 5:5-6
Christ's Priesthood is tied to His Sonship. They are inseparable and eternal. His calling to Sonship is His calling to Priesthood.
His work of Redemption is the essence of His identity and the reason, I believe, He bears the marks of the nails in His hands, and the mark of the spear in His side.
[[A Psalm of David.]] The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.
Who is
The LORD
the first, my
Lord
thou
the second, my
I
thine
thy
A prophecy written in Psalm 110 me thinks fulfilled after the resurrection of Jesus of Nazareth, the Lord and Christ.
37818
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was He the eternal word of the Father, Yes per the bible, in the Incarnation did He then assume Sonship?
Alan Dale Gross
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This is at what will be The End of Time as we know it. Jesus as the Lord God Eternal Son is the King of His Kingdom on Earth now, as He Rules from Heaven over His children, who are kings and priests on Earth, especially in The Lord's churches as they are under His Lordship and organized rule carrying out The Great Commission. When Jesus Returns, He will turn His current Kingdom of all Saved on Earth and in Heaven over to God the Father.
Then the Eternal Sonship will be in The New Heaven and The New Earth.