Is everything that happens God's will?

[whatever]

Paying and buying for something is not necessarily the same as earning it.

John 4:34 says "Jesus said to them, 'My food is to do the will of him who sent me and to accomplish his work.'" Reckon what that work was that Jesus was sent to accomplish, if it was not saving His people from their sins?

 

[webdog]

John 4:34 says "Jesus said to them, 'My food is to do the will of him who sent me and to accomplish his work.'" Reckon what that work was that Jesus was sent to accomplish, if it was not saving His people from their sins?

The greek word for work (ergon) also means "act" or "deed".

 

[standingfirminChrist]

It is my understanding that Calvinists believe that everything that happens is God's will. Is this correct or incorrect?

Not everything that happens is God's will. God is not willing that any should perish...

Many like to use the verse found in 1 Thes. 5: In everything give thanks, for this is the will of God; in Christ Jesus concerning you.

That is not what it means. It is saying whatever happens, we need to thank God, not for the event, but for His goodness and faithfulness to not put on us more than we can bear. Thank Him that He is there with you to carry you through the trials.

 

[Dale-c]

If everything is not according to God's will, then somethings are against His will.
If somethings are against His will, then Man is sometimes more powerful.
Man is not more powerful, so everything is God's will or it wouldn't happen

 

[webdog]

If everything is not according to God's will, then somethings are against His will.

...like sin.

If somethings are against His will, then Man is sometimes more powerful.

...and the strawman begins...

Man is not more powerful, so everything is God's will or it wouldn't happen

...applying this to your first and second point, God is the cause of sin.

 

[whatever]

The greek word for work (ergon) also means "act" or "deed".

Then what was the "act" or "deed" that Jesus was sent to accomplish, if it was not saving His people from their sins?

 

[webdog]

He was the atonement for the whole world, not "His people".

 

[whatever]

He was the atonement for the whole world, not "His people".

So the angel who said "he will save his people from their sins" was wrong? Are you sure?

 

[standingfirminChrist]

When the angel said 'He shall save His people from their sins,' he was not speaking of the thousands of Gentiles that have been saved since His death, burial and resurrection. The angel was speaking of the Jewish people who would place their trust in Him.

When we go into the book of the Acts of the Apostles, we see that salvation was being offered to the Gentiles for the first time.

Christ said, 'Whosoever will, let him come and drink of the water of life freely. The Word of God further tells us that Christ died 'not for our sins only, but for the sins of the whole world.'

The whole world covers every single man, woman and child on the planet.

 

[Terry_Herrington]

Not everything that happens is God's will. God is not willing that any should perish...

Many like to use the verse found in 1 Thes. 5: In everything give thanks, for this is the will of God; in Christ Jesus concerning you.

That is not what it means. It is saying whatever happens, we need to thank God, not for the event, but for His goodness and faithfulness to not put on us more than we can bear. Thank Him that He is there with you to carry you through the trials.

:thumbs: AMEN:thumbs:

 

[npetreley]

Not everything that happens is God's will. God is not willing that any should perish...

That is perfectly aligned with God's will. In context, it is "God is not willing that any [of us, the elect] should perish. And none of the elect will perish. So God's will is done perfectly.

 

[Skandelon]

That is perfectly aligned with God's will. In context, it is "God is not willing that any [of us, the elect] should perish. And none of the elect will perish. So God's will is done perfectly.

Allow scripture to interpret scripture: 1 Tim 2:3 "This is good, and pleases God our Savior, 4 who wants all men to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth."

This is an expression of God's desire to see all come to the knowledge of truth and be saved. He doesn't desire this more than His desires for men to be free and accountable however, thus He doesn't force or causually determine salvation either. He allows whosoever will to come and be saved and expresses a desire for all to do so.

 

[npetreley]

Allow scripture to interpret scripture: 1 Tim 2:3 "This is good, and pleases God our Savior, 4 who wants all men to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth."

This is an expression of God's desire to see all come to the knowledge of truth and be saved. He doesn't desire this more than His desires for men to be free and accountable however, thus He doesn't force or causually determine salvation either. He allows whosoever will to come and be saved and expresses a desire for all to do so.

It's an expression of God's desire to see all KINDS of men come to the knowledge of the truth and be saved. This is made evident by the context:

1 Therefore I exhort first of all that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks be made for all men, 2 for kings and all who are in authority, that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and reverence. 3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, 4 who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus, 6 who gave Himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time, 7 for which I was appointed a preacher and an apostle—I am speaking the truth in Christ and not lying—a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and truth.

Let scripture interpret scripture, indeed. He died for many, not all. So if it says "many" in one place and "all" in another, what do you do? You can interpret "all" to be "all of subset", but you cannot interpret "many" to be "all". Therefore anywhere it says "all" in reference to those for whom Christ died must be "all of subset", or else it contradicts other scripture.

 

[webdog]

Let scripture interpret scripture, indeed. He died for many, not all. So if it says "many" in one place and "all" in another, what do you do?

You interpret the many to mean all, after "all" is quite a few, and would be regarded as many.

 

[Brother Bob]

It's an expression of God's desire to see all KINDS of men come to the knowledge of the truth and be saved. This is made evident by the context:

Where do you get the "KINDS" from npet;?

 

[Revmitchell]

It's an expression of God's desire to see all KINDS of men come to the knowledge of the truth and be saved. This is made evident by the context:



Let scripture interpret scripture, indeed. He died for many, not all. So if it says "many" in one place and "all" in another, what do you do? You can interpret "all" to be "all of subset", but you cannot interpret "many" to be "all". Therefore anywhere it says "all" in reference to those for whom Christ died must be "all of subset", or else it contradicts other scripture.

Im not sure wher you got that from but there is no truth to it. "Many does not negate "All". That is what we call "Reaching". But grabbing hold of nothing.

 

[standingfirminChrist]

To say that Christ did not die for all negates the scripture that proclaimes

1 John 2:2 2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

Christ certainly did die for the whole world, all peoples on this earth. If He did not, there would be need of the same sacrifices that were brought to the tabernacle for the covering of sins.

 

[Phillip]

Curious

I know this is off the subject, but it is a short question not worthy of opening an entire thread. I have no problem with it, I'm just curious to know why you are putting a copyright symbol at the bottom of your post, standingfirminChrist? Again, just curious. Not debating.

 

[standingfirminChrist]

Philip,

The signature poem is a poem I wrote. And have it copyrighted. Because it is copyrighted, I also include the copyright symbol.

 

[Phillip]

Gotcha. Yes, in order to keep your copyright active it is certainly a good idea to use the copyright notice every single time it is printed. I was just curious, I thought maybe you were copyrighting your entire post, which I thought might have been a little odd. Sorry for the confusion. :smilewinkgrin: