Is God Insincere With The Gospel Offer?

[Van]

many prefer a God who does what we desire Him to be doing!

Yes, the God of Calvinism is no where found in the Bible. A God who compels people to sin, as they are unable to choose otherwise, and then punishes them for the sin He caused. That bogus view is not the God of the Bible.

 

[Yeshua1]

Yes, the God of Calvinism is no where found in the Bible. A God who compels people to sin, as they are unable to choose otherwise, and then punishes them for the sin He caused. That bogus view is not the God of the Bible.

NO Calvinist would state that God forces us to sin!

 

[AustinC]

The Greek word translated as appointed refers to an agreement by mutual consent. The failure to translate the word accurately provides the bogus foundation for false doctrine. Poor translations give an opening for false doctrine. As many as took the gospel's direction to eternal life believed.

Again, you are claiming that all those translation teams from multiple different translations all failed to translate correctly, but your assertion is universally correct and must be considered the definitive truth.

Do you even see how ludicrous you sound?

 

[AustinC]

I can just hear the Calvinist message - now some of you, and only God knows who, will be able to actually understand my message this morning, as for the rest of you, you were damned from all eternity and nothing you can do will save yourself or your loved ones.

Now here is the close of the message - Christ died for some of you for no known reason, God just decided to save a few. He made the rest of you so you are unable to desire God's righteous perfection, or His peace, or any of the other blessings of heaven. Nope, you down deep hate God. Can't you just see the audience applauding.

We can see you projecting...

 

[AustinC]

Yes, the God of Calvinism is no where found in the Bible. A God who compels people to sin, as they are unable to choose otherwise, and then punishes them for the sin He caused. That bogus view is not the God of the Bible.

So, you think John Calvin just made up his God, never actually observed what the Bible says and was a cult leader?
Please back up that claim for us.

 

[AustinC]

Yes, the God of Calvinism is no where found in the Bible. A God who compels people to sin, as they are unable to choose otherwise, and then punishes them for the sin He caused. That bogus view is not the God of the Bible.

Yet another projection from Van.

 

[Strannik]

You realize that both the sheep and the goat were unaware of what they had or had not done... don't you?
Therefore it was God's Sovereign choice in deciding, not human effort that forced God to decide.

Our fundamental difference is:

I believe God is the cause agent of salvation.

You believe man is the cause agent of salvation.

You're twisting my words. I have already written several times that BOTH sides go to meet each other, only God always does it First, and people already either respond to His call, or turn away.

You carefully read what I write to you. A person cannot save himself by himself, otherwise the fall would have been healed long ago.

You simply do not want to notice those passages of Scripture that speak about how God calls people to show their will to repent and turn to Him, it is people who show their sinful will to refuse the saving faith in the Sacrifice of Jesus Christ, and even try to use their sinful will to deceive or parody the Church.

Be more honest with yourself, God, and other people.

 

[Strannik]

What is predestinated in Romans 8 is NOT salvation, but rather conformity to the image of Christ.

Rom 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son [NOT "to be saved" or "to obtain eternal life", etc.], that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

The image of Christ is the physical image of his resurrection body, a blessing connected to salvation but not salvation itself.
Romans 8 is saying that God predestinated foreknown believers to obtain a Christ-like resurrection body.

Please consider taking a few minutes to watch this Bible study:

29 For whom he foreknew, he also predestined to be like the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 But those whom He predestined, he called, and those whom He called, He justified; and those whom he justified, he glorified.
31 What can I say to this? If God is for us, who is against us?
(Rome.8:29-31)
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45 So it is written: the first man Adam became a living soul; and the last Adam is a life-giving spirit.
46 But not the spiritual first, but the spiritual, then the spiritual.
47 The first man is of the earth, a finger; the second man is the Lord from heaven.
48 As the finger is, so are the fingers; and as the heavenly is, so are the heavenly.
49 And as we have borne the image of the finger, so shall we bear the image of the heavenly one.
50 But I tell you, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, and corruption does not inherit incorruption.
51 I tell you a secret: we will not all die, but we will all change
52 suddenly, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet; for it will sound, and the dead will rise incorruptible, and we will be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 But when this corruptible thing is clothed with incorruption, and this mortal thing is clothed with immortality, then the written word will be fulfilled: death is swallowed up in victory.
55 Death! where's your sting? hell! where is your victory?
56 But the sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law.
57 Thanks be to God, who has given us victory by our Lord Jesus Christ!
58 Therefore, my beloved brethren, be firm, unshaken, always succeed in the work of the Lord, knowing that your labor is not in vain before the Lord.
(1 Corinthians 15: 45-58)
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6 If we say that we have fellowship with Him, but walk in darkness, then we are lying and do not act according to the truth;
7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanses us from all sin.
8 If we say that we have no sin , we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and his word is not in us.
(1 John.1:6-10)
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2 Beloved ones! we are now the children of God; but it has not yet been revealed what we will be. We only know that when it is revealed, we will be like Him, because we will see Him as He is.
3 And whosoever hath this hope in him purifies himself as he is pure.
4 Whosoever commits sin also commits iniquity; and sin is iniquity.
5 And you know that He came to take away our sins, and that there is no sin in him.
6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not; whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, nor known him.
7 Children! let no one deceive you. He who does the truth is righteous, just as He is righteous.
8 Whoever commits sin is of the devil, because the devil first sinned. For this purpose the Son of God appeared, to destroy the works of the devil.
9 Whosoever is born of God does not commit sin, because his seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
10 The children of God and the children of the devil are recognized in this way: Everyone who does not do righteousness is not of God, nor does he love his brother.
11 For this is the gospel which you have heard from the beginning, that we should love one another.,
12 Not like Cain, who was of the evil one, and killed his brother. Why did you kill him?" Because his works were evil, and his brother's works were righteous.
13 Do not be surprised, my brethren, if the world hates you.
14 We know that we have passed from death to life, because we love our brothers; he who does not love his brother remains in death.
15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer; but ye know that no murderer hath everlasting life abiding in him.
16 We have known love in this, that he laid down his life for us: and we must lay down our lives for our brothers.
17 But whosoever hath abundance in the world, but seeth his brother in need, and shutteth his heart from him, how abideth the love of God in him?
18 My children! let us not love in word or in tongue, but in deed and in truth.
19 And this is how we know that we are of the truth, and we calm our hearts before Him.;
20 For if our heart condemns us, then God is greater than us, for God is greater than our heart, and knows all things.
21 Beloved ones! if our heart does not condemn us, then we have confidence in God,
22 And whatever we ask, we will receive from him, because we keep his commandments and do what is good in his sight.
23 But this is his commandment, that we believe in the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he has commanded us.
24 And he that keepeth his commandments abideth in him, and he in him. And that He abides in us, we know by the spirit that He has given us.
(1 John.3:2-24)
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So the point is that those who are like Christ, those who have His image, who have the image of His actions and His character, they are saved.

 

[George Antonios]

The reformed view is that God so constituted mankind in fallen Adam as to render man unable even to see his fallen condition.
It's like drugging a man unconscious then burning him eternally for refusing to answer your call while he was unconscious.
That is WORLDS away from pleading with a conscious man to answer your call which he willingly rejects.

29 For whom he foreknew, he also predestined to be like the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 But those whom He predestined, he called, and those whom He called, He justified; and those whom he justified, he glorified.
31 What can I say to this? If God is for us, who is against us?
(Rome.8:29-31)
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45 So it is written: the first man Adam became a living soul; and the last Adam is a life-giving spirit.
46 But not the spiritual first, but the spiritual, then the spiritual.
47 The first man is of the earth, a finger; the second man is the Lord from heaven.
48 As the finger is, so are the fingers; and as the heavenly is, so are the heavenly.
49 And as we have borne the image of the finger, so shall we bear the image of the heavenly one.
50 But I tell you, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, and corruption does not inherit incorruption.
51 I tell you a secret: we will not all die, but we will all change
52 suddenly, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet; for it will sound, and the dead will rise incorruptible, and we will be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 But when this corruptible thing is clothed with incorruption, and this mortal thing is clothed with immortality, then the written word will be fulfilled: death is swallowed up in victory.
55 Death! where's your sting? hell! where is your victory?
56 But the sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law.
57 Thanks be to God, who has given us victory by our Lord Jesus Christ!
58 Therefore, my beloved brethren, be firm, unshaken, always succeed in the work of the Lord, knowing that your labor is not in vain before the Lord.
(1 Corinthians 15: 45-58)
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6 If we say that we have fellowship with Him, but walk in darkness, then we are lying and do not act according to the truth;
7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanses us from all sin.
8 If we say that we have no sin , we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and his word is not in us.
(1 John.1:6-10)
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2 Beloved ones! we are now the children of God; but it has not yet been revealed what we will be. We only know that when it is revealed, we will be like Him, because we will see Him as He is.
3 And whosoever hath this hope in him purifies himself as he is pure.
4 Whosoever commits sin also commits iniquity; and sin is iniquity.
5 And you know that He came to take away our sins, and that there is no sin in him.
6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not; whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, nor known him.
7 Children! let no one deceive you. He who does the truth is righteous, just as He is righteous.
8 Whoever commits sin is of the devil, because the devil first sinned. For this purpose the Son of God appeared, to destroy the works of the devil.
9 Whosoever is born of God does not commit sin, because his seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
10 The children of God and the children of the devil are recognized in this way: Everyone who does not do righteousness is not of God, nor does he love his brother.
11 For this is the gospel which you have heard from the beginning, that we should love one another.,
12 Not like Cain, who was of the evil one, and killed his brother. Why did you kill him?" Because his works were evil, and his brother's works were righteous.
13 Do not be surprised, my brethren, if the world hates you.
14 We know that we have passed from death to life, because we love our brothers; he who does not love his brother remains in death.
15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer; but ye know that no murderer hath everlasting life abiding in him.
16 We have known love in this, that he laid down his life for us: and we must lay down our lives for our brothers.
17 But whosoever hath abundance in the world, but seeth his brother in need, and shutteth his heart from him, how abideth the love of God in him?
18 My children! let us not love in word or in tongue, but in deed and in truth.
19 And this is how we know that we are of the truth, and we calm our hearts before Him.;
20 For if our heart condemns us, then God is greater than us, for God is greater than our heart, and knows all things.
21 Beloved ones! if our heart does not condemn us, then we have confidence in God,
22 And whatever we ask, we will receive from him, because we keep his commandments and do what is good in his sight.
23 But this is his commandment, that we believe in the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he has commanded us.
24 And he that keepeth his commandments abideth in him, and he in him. And that He abides in us, we know by the spirit that He has given us.
(1 John.3:2-24)
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So the point is that those who are like Christ, those who have His image, who have the image of His actions and His character, they are saved.

Did you watch the video?

In the passages you quoted, only 1Corinthians 15 has the word image and there it confirms what we said, that image relates to the physical appearance of the resurrection body of Christ.

1Co 15:42 So also is the RESURRECTION of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
[...]
1Co 15:47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.
1Co 15:48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
1Co 15:49 And as we have borne the IMAGE of the earthy, we shall also bear the IMAGE of the heavenly.

 

[Alan Gross]

many prefer a God who does what we desire Him to be doing!

There is none that does good.

Therefore, the Trice-Holy Eternal Godhead could have Justly Allowed all human beings to Go to Hell.

The Bible Teaches that God is The God He Says He is and not the god the flesh of man would try to change Him to be;

23 "And that he might make known
the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy,
which he had afore prepared unto glory,

 

[Squire Robertsson]

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