Interesting that you claim that Calvinists are deceived, and yet you uphold the false church of Rome, correct?
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Is God Sovereign?
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Jesus is not a different God. There is only one God. You can wake up tomorrow by yourself and everyone else in the world is gone. That doesn't mean all have been judged.
Just because God tells you well I can give and steal from anyone I want, you shouldn't automatically presume God steals.
This is the mistake I think you are making. You are letting your expectations get the better of you.
Then you start sounding like your buddy who is SHOCKED and SURPRISED God would even bother to save him, Because he always expected God to be EVIL.
Please give us a link by someone, anyone, on Baptist Board that has said God draws all men equally.
Quote me where I say Calvinists are deceived. I'll claim YOU need glasses.
You didn't even touch my challenge because you agree with me.
If you actually disagree with me you would tell me what was wrong with what was said.
Does your God judge those who reject jesus?
Are all sinners, apart from Christ, already judged and found guilty in sins?
I was doing a little exegetical study in Exodus 34 and came upon this gem or a verse.
23 Three times in the year all your males shall appear before the Lord (האדן = Sovereign) GOD (יהוה = Yahwah), the Almighty (אלהי Elohim) of Israel.
delizzle
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Can a sovereign God choose to sovereignty limit Himself?
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delizzle
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I don't think God's sovereignty is in question. The question is to what extent does God apply His sovereignty over the wills of men. This is a delicate question that requires balance. One end leads to open theology where God's omnipotence, omniscience, or omnipresence is stripped away. The other results in hard determinism that makes us unaccountable for sin. Thus, a balance must be reached.
God's sovereignty does not means that He can do anything. It means that He has the power and authority to do anything possible. There are things God cannot do because of natural limitations or self imposed limitations. I believe that God soveregnly has the power and authority to force his will over men. Sometimes He does. However, this is not always the case. Regardless of His direct influence or limited involvement, His will always finds a way.
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SheepWhisperer
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Simple answer: no
Explanation: He sets before us all life and death, blessing and cursing and what He "wishes" to do is to allow men choose life instead of death. And "the life" is in Jesus Christ.
Ezekiel 18:31 Cast away from you all your transgressions, whereby ye have transgressed; and make you a new heart and a new spirit: for why will ye die, O house of Israel?
It's the same principle.
No, as that would be against His own nature and attributes, as he cannot ever cease being God!
Whosoever Will gets done would be the One who is really soveriegn!
delizzle
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Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage; rather, he made himself nothing by taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness. And being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to death— even death on a cross!
Philippians 2:6-8 NIV
How then do you reconcile this scripture?
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Can anything or anyone prevent God from doing as He wishes? That's a simple question, so please provide a simple answer, with a brief explanation.
delizzle said,
Can a sovereign God choose to sovereignty limit Himself?
Not too educated, replying to a question, with a question!
God is Sovereign: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
God, the Word, took on human flesh to save us. (John 1)
God's Sovereignty never became limited!!
His plans and purposes from eternity past were never modified or changed.
Also, man can never "will" to be saved. The Fall made every aspect of his being
corrupt. Man is DEAD in his trespasses and sins (Ephesians 2). He can choose
nothing! Only God, in his Great Mercy, can regenerate him and give him faith.
Can anything or anyone prevent God from doing as He wishes? That's a simple question, so please provide a simple answer, with a brief explanation.
delizzle said,
Can a sovereign God choose to sovereignty limit Himself?
Not too educated, replying to a question, with a question!
God is Sovereign: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
God, the Word, took on human flesh to save us. (John 1)
God's Sovereignty never became limited!!
His plans and purposes from eternity past were never modified or changed.
Also, man can never "will" to be saved. The Fall made every aspect of his being
corrupt. Man is DEAD in his trespasses and sins (Ephesians 2). He can choose
nothing! Only God, in his Great Mercy, can regenerate him and give him faith.
delizzle
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God became a Man, but he did not cease to be sovereign God!
Is Jesus God?
Yes. and, Jesus liked to answer questions with questions, as well.
That question is all important!
delizzle
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I agree. Jesus was and is God incarnate in the flesh. So what does it mean when the scripture says "did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage" Philippians 2:6 NIV
Wouldn't that imply that He was God yet chose to limit Himself so it wouldn't be used for "His own advantage"?
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