Is God the author of Evil/Sin?

[AustinC]

Your comparison with God's GRACE in offering His son for remission of our sins to every man/woman who believes with a pizza order is ATROCIOUS.

God did choose the foolish things in the world to shame the wise. And some might say God offering an opportunity for people to be saved via His son is foolish- that Him giving man the OPPORTUNITY TO BE SAVED BY HAVING FAITH IN HIS SON is foolish. Do you think that's foolish? If so, well, I hope you're ready to be shamed.

You keep demanding you pay God for what he has done. The pizza analogy is spot-on with your teaching. You pay, God gives. It's a simple transaction.
By the way, did God add the extra cheese and mushrooms? I love me some mushrooms.

 

[atpollard]

You divert the point with an answer of folly. God still gave him the opportunity to seek after God. but he chose to follow himself.

Tell that to Paul:

How then will they call on Him in whom they have not believed?
How will they believe in Him whom they have not heard?
And how will they hear without a preacher?
How will they preach unless they are sent?
Just as it is written, "HOW BEAUTIFUL ARE THE FEET OF THOSE WHO BRING GOOD NEWS OF GOOD THINGS!" .
- [Romans 10:14-15 NASB]​

 

[AustinC]

If I am understanding your answer, you know you are elect because of your work? Yes, I can see how that would be the only possible way you would know it. I have suspected that would be the only logical honest answer.

Thank you for that.

Exactly how do you think faith is expressed?

 

[JD731]

Exactly how do you think faith is expressed?

That is it? If you don't work you are not in? How do you know how much work expresses your faith? What kind? Who is the judge? How are you doing?

 

[1689Dave]

If I were a cannibal it would be because I chose to be. Not because God dictated I be one. <3

God works in you to will and to do of his good pleasure. Personally, I would not tempt God who can turn you into something worse than Nebuchadnezzar.

 

[atpollard]

If I am understanding your answer, you know you are elect because of your work? Yes, I can see how that would be the only possible way you would know it. I have suspected that would be the only logical honest answer.

Thank you for that.

Technically, it is the only NON-Subjective way of knowing.
There are purely subjective ways that I can know that I am saved, but they would be meaningless to anyone else. How can I quantify a change in desires or thought processes?

There are also METAPHYSICAL ways of knowing, but that gets into areas where even the person himself has doubts and has to determine what is real and what is imagined. Unfortunately, this area attracts the mentally ill for their “spiritual proofs”, so even legitimate experiences must remain silent or be taken for something else and discredit legitimate testimonies.

Honestly, I do not believe that there is one iota of difference in how a Calvinist or an Arminian or even a full blown Pelagian knows they are saved. No person can encounter God and remain unchanged by the experience. As Ephesians 2:10 says ... “For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them.”

 

[Miss E]

No, they came out of God’s mouth. I apologize for trying to put God’s words in your mouth; I am sure that is something that almost never happens.

You're not a very good comedian. and I don't think the word 'predestination' was ever used in the bible to mean what YOU want it to mean.

 

[AustinC]

That is it? If you don't work you are not in? How do you know how much work expresses your faith? What kind? Who is the judge? How are you doing?

Exactly how do you think faith is expressed?
Would brother James be of any assistance?
James 2:14-26
Whatg goodisit, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can that faith save him? If a brother or sister is poorly clothed and lacking in daily food, and one of you says to them, “Go in peace, be warmed and filled,” without giving them the things needed for the body, what good is that? So also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead. But someone will say, “You have faith and I have works.” Show me your faith apart from your works, and I will show you my faith by my works. You believe that God is one; you do well. Even the demons believe—and shudder! Do you want to be shown, you foolish person, that faith apart from works is useless? Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered up his son Isaac on the altar? You see that faith was active along with his works, and faith was completed by his works; and the Scripture was fulfilled that says, “Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness”—and he was called a friend of God. You see that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone. And in the same way was not also Rahab the prostitute justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out by another way? For as the body apart from the spirit is dead, so also faith apart from works is dead.

 

[Miss E]

Well...I guess you picked the wrong God. The do something for me and I'll do something for you gods are all down the hall and to the left.
The God who chooses according to His own purpose is here in the Bible and whether I like it or not, He chose this wretched bum as his child. Nothing I can do now. How sad it is for me that I am made a child of the King of Kings and given all the blessings of being family. If only I had been able to choose, I'm sure I could have done a much better job. Plus, I could have shown off my narly nunchuck moves. That, surely, would have won me some points.

I'm done talking to you and trying to convince you, you are truly lost my friend. But I guess still saved, so that's a good thing I guess.

 

[atpollard]

You're not a very good comedian. and I don't think the word 'predestination' was ever used in the bible to mean what YOU want it to mean.

Here, judge for yourself:

And we know that God causes all things to work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to [His] purpose. For those whom He foreknew, He also predestined [to become] conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brethren; and these whom He predestined, He also called; and these whom He called, He also justified; and these whom He justified, He also glorified. [Rom 8:28-30 NASB]​

 

[Miss E]

You keep demanding you pay God for what he has done. The pizza analogy is spot-on with your teaching. You pay, God gives. It's a simple transaction.
By the way, did God add the extra cheese and mushrooms? I love me some mushrooms.

How is anyone PAYING GOD, by having Faith to believe His son? That's idiotic to say.

So you're saying every time I say 'i love you' back to my mom or dad or brother, I am paying them? They said it to me, and I can choose to say it back or to not.

Faith is simply saying I love you back to God who says I love you first.

 

[Miss E]

Here, judge for yourself:

And we know that God causes all things to work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to [His] purpose. For those whom He foreknew, He also predestined [to become] conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brethren; and these whom He predestined, He also called; and these whom He called, He also justified; and these whom He justified, He also glorified. [Rom 8:28-30 NASB]​

Out of context, yet again.

 

[Sai]

God “passed over” the reprobate and allowed then to follow their natural evil inclinations ... like what the end of Romans Chapter 1 describes.

Almost. Here’s what I think is scriptural. God looked into humanity that was already damned and headed for hell and God chose to reach into humanity and to elect some to be saved while choosing to pass over others. Thus no one was created for hell or sin or damnation.

 

[Miss E]

Almost. Here’s what I think is scriptural. God looked into humanity that was already damned and headed for hell and God chose to reach into humanity and to elect some to be saved while choosing to pass over others. Thus no one was created for hell or sin or damnation.

BUT WHAT STANDARD DID GOD USE TO CHOOSE TO SAVE?!?!

No one can answer that, I either get teh same thing repeated to me that God is gracious for choosing ME ME MEME MEMEME OR, they say, WHO CAN KNOW BUT GOD

Dumb, Stupid. Idiotic. The Gospel is simple to understand, a CHILD can understand it.

Believe upon Jesus Christ to gain eternal life or don't.

TAH DAH!!!!!!!!!

That is how God chooses to save you or not.

 

[Sai]

Exactly how do you think faith is expressed?
Would brother James be of any assistance?
James 2:14-26
Whatg goodisit, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can that faith save him? If a brother or sister is poorly clothed and lacking in daily food, and one of you says to them, “Go in peace, be warmed and filled,” without giving them the things needed for the body, what good is that? So also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead. But someone will say, “You have faith and I have works.” Show me your faith apart from your works, and I will show you my faith by my works. You believe that God is one; you do well. Even the demons believe—and shudder! Do you want to be shown, you foolish person, that faith apart from works is useless? Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered up his son Isaac on the altar? You see that faith was active along with his works, and faith was completed by his works; and the Scripture was fulfilled that says, “Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness”—and he was called a friend of God. You see that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone. And in the same way was not also Rahab the prostitute justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out by another way? For as the body apart from the spirit is dead, so also faith apart from works is dead.

James is not using faith soteriologically but Paul does use faith theologically and soteriologically. James is not contradicting Paul at all but is in perfect harmony with scripture’s grace alone salvation.

 

[Sai]

BUT WHAT STANDARD DID GOD USE TO CHOOSE TO SAVE?!?!

No one can answer that, I either get teh same thing repeated to me that God is gracious for choosing ME ME MEME MEMEME OR, they say, WHO CAN KNOW BUT GOD

Dumb, Stupid. Idiotic. The Gospel is simple to understand, a CHILD can understand it.

Believe upon Jesus Christ to gain eternal life or don't.

TAH DAH!!!!!!!!!

That is how God chooses to save you or not.

By what standard you ask? Well by grace alone of course.


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[George Antonios]

Or did He say, "I would stop it, but I gave free will to these humans. It was a terrible mistake, but I promised and I can't go back on it now."

Basically, you just paraphrased and ridiculed the following passage:

Gen 6:5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
Gen 6:6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.

Quick, Calvinists, quickly brethren, God appears weak and needs YOUR most humble and loyal help to defend him! Hurry! To philosophy! To the ancient Hebrew!

Yeah, no. God is just fine with "admitting" Genesis 6:5-6 and doesn't need your philosophy or Hebrew to shore-up his power.

 

[Miss E]

By what standard you ask? Well by grace alone of course.


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LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You're crazy. Grace alone?!?! Yes that's involved, but WHY DID GOD CHOOSE TO SAVE YOU AND NOT ME? (theoretically speaking)

Are you BETTER than me? Why?

Are you SMARTER than me? Why?

Can you even answer that plainly or are you just going to continue to blabber about grace based on nothing at all?

BY THE BY

It's CHRIST ALONE

Not 'Grace' Alone.

Therefore, having been justified by faith [faith alone], we have peace with God through Jesus Christ [Christ alone]. Through him we have also obtained access by faith into this grace [grace alone] in which we stand, and we rejoice in hope of the glory of God [the glory of God alone]. Romans 5:1–2.

 

[Sai]

If you’re going to claim God is choosing those that he knew were going to choose to believe then you can believe that if that’s what you want. It’s not scriptural. Again, the elephant in the room is infant death. And the problem is in our insisting that God be fair and not condemn infants to hell. That my friends is the logical conclusion or better, the beginning of this conversation. There were undoubtedly infants who died in the flood and we know that they died unsaved because scripture says only Noah and his children were saved.

 

[Sai]

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You're crazy. Grace alone?!?! Yes that's involved, but WHY DID GOD CHOOSE TO SAVE YOU AND NOT ME? (theoretically speaking)

Are you BETTER than me? Why?

Are you SMARTER than me? Why?

Can you even answer that plainly or are you just going to continue to blabber about grace based on nothing at all?

BY THE BY

It's CHRIST ALONE

Not 'Grace' Alone.

Therefore, having been justified by faith [faith alone], we have peace with God through Jesus Christ [Christ alone]. Through him we have also obtained access by faith into this grace [grace alone] in which we stand, and we rejoice in hope of the glory of God [the glory of God alone]. Romans 5:1–2.

The emotional nature of your posts display a doubt in your own position. Doesn’t mean you’re wrong, it just tells me that you are still struggling to own your position.