Is healthcare a right or a privilege II

[Alcott]

copied from Facebook:

Dear Mr. President:
During my shift in the Emergency Room last night, I had the pleasure of evaluating a patient whose smile revealed an expensive
Shiny gold tooth, whose body was adorned with a wide assortment of elaborate and costly tattoos, who wore a very expensive
Brand of tennis shoes and who chatted on a new cellular telephone equipped with a popular R&B ringtone. While glancing over her
Patient chart, I happened to notice that her payer status was listed as "Medicaid"! During my examination of her, the patient informed
Me that she smokes more than one costly pack of cigarettes every day and somehow still has money to buy pretzels and beer.
And, you and our Congress expect me to pay for this woman's health care? I contend that our nation's "health care crisis" is not the
Result of a shortage of quality hospitals, doctors or nurses. Rather, it is the result of a "crisis of culture", a culture in which it is perfectly
Acceptable to spend money on luxuries and vices while refusing to take care of one's self or, heaven forbid, purchase health insurance.
It is a culture based on the irresponsible credo that "I can do whatever I want to because someone else will always take care of me".
Once you fix this "culture crisis" that rewards irresponsibility and dependency, you'll be amazed at how quickly our nation's health care
Difficulties will disappear.

Respectfully,
STARNER JONES, MD

If you agree...pass it on

 

[FollowTheWay]

American Medical Association: ObamaCare repeal violates ‘do no harm’ rule

American Medical Association: ObamaCare repeal violates ‘do no harm’ rule

The American Medical Association (AMA) wrote a letter to Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) and Minority Leader Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.) warning against cuts to Medicaid and changes to ObamaCare's subsidies and regulations.

“Medicine has long operated under the precept of Primum non nocere, or ‘first, do no harm.’ The draft legislation violates that standard on many levels,” AMA Executive Vice President and CEO James Madara wrote in the letter
"We sincerely hope that the Senate will take this opportunity to change the course of the current debate and work to fix problems with the current system," Madara added.
"We believe that Congress should be working to increase the number of Americans with access to quality, affordable health insurance instead of pursuing policies that have the opposite effect, and we renew our commitment to work with you in that endeavor."

 

[Revmitchell]

The AMA has been high jacked by the extreme far left and is not credible.

 

[Rob_BW]

I thought we already fought a civil war to show that nobody has a right to someone else's labor?

 

[church mouse guy]

Obamacare did a lot of harm. Obama lied when he said that a person could keep his regular doctor and his regular insurance plan. Obamacare raised rates so high on insurance and deductibles and millions of people were unable to afford healthcare. Obama lied. Once a lady asked Obama if her elderly mother would be eligible for a pacemaker under the Obamacare and Obama told the lady no. Of course, if the Democrats and Obama sentenced you to death, that would not be doing any harm, would it?

 

[777]

Oh, the AMA will go to the mat for Obamacare, especially if they try to touch their cash cow Medicaid. Medicare, not so much:

Obama's 2016 budget cuts Medicare but eliminates sequestration

under Medicaid, they ALWAYS get reimbursed . . . by you. The AMA will rail against "gun violence" even while their own rates of violence are much greater:

Deaths by medical mistakes hit records

they are just the ABA equivalent, another partisan advocacy group these days.

 

[FollowTheWay]

The AMA has been high jacked by the extreme far left and is not credible.

So a statement on Facebook from an anonymous "doctor" is more credible to you than a statement from the AMA? I think any organization which states anything you don't believe in has been "hijacked by the extreme left." in your view. What else in your world hasn't been hijacked by the extreme far left? How about AARP?

 

[Revmitchell]

What in your world hasn't been hijacked by the extreme far left? How about AARP?

I wouldn't have anything to do with them either. There is a conservative version of them

You are being redirected...

 

[FollowTheWay]

Fine. I'll stay with the organization that has represented senior citizens since 1958.

AARP History - AARP

 

[Revmitchell]

Fine. I'll stay with the organization that has represented senior citizens since 1958.

AARP History - AARP

You staying with an extreme far left organization is not surprising but i doubt you have any need for aarp.

 

[FollowTheWay]

What has AARP done to make it an extreme left organization? This Amac you support is another thinly veiled extreme right organization.

 

[Matt Black]

Everyone with whom Rev Mitchell disagrees is 'far left', 'socialist', 'communist' or 'liberal'. They become words devoid of meaning through improper and over-use so I pay them no heed these days.

 

[777]

Wonder if you think everyone that disagrees with you is "far left", "a Nazi", :" a fascist", or "consevative". True that all of these words are over-used and used improperly more often than not.

Like Obamacare - it was in part modeled after Mussolini's plan for Italy from the thirties. Yeah, a "fascist", a real one. See, all it did was expand the government AND private insurance companies and it had a mandate - a tax - in the middle of it all.

About AARP, this is an organization that advocates gun control, SSM, and global warming, for starters. They were instrumental in getting Obamacare passed, then turned around and got a waiver for themselves. What's far-left about THAT?

 

[Matt Black]

Hardly 'far left' then: centrist to centre-left.

 

[Revmitchell]

Everyone with whom Rev Mitchell disagrees is 'far left', 'socialist', 'communist' or 'liberal'. They become words devoid of meaning through improper and over-use so I pay them no heed these days.

Since you used "everyone" which is blatantly false you defeated your own statement. Good luck with that.

 

[Matt Black]

Alright, just for you I will refine my first sentence to begin with "Most people on the News and Politics forum" instead of "everyone ". My second sentence remains unaltered.

Happy now?

 

[Use of Time]

Alright, just for you I will refine my first sentence to begin with "Most people on the News and Politics forum" instead of "everyone ". My second sentence remains unaltered.

Happy now?

He applies that logic when it suits him. It's easier to do that than to take responsibility...for anything.

 

[FollowTheWay]

Wonder if you think everyone that disagrees with you is "far left", "a Nazi", :" a fascist", or "consevative". True that all of these words are over-used and used improperly more often than not.

Like Obamacare - it was in part modeled after Mussolini's plan for Italy from the thirties. Yeah, a "fascist", a real one. See, all it did was expand the government AND private insurance companies and it had a mandate - a tax - in the middle of it all.

About AARP, this is an organization that advocates gun control, SSM, and global warming, for starters. They were instrumental in getting Obamacare passed, then turned around and got a waiver for themselves. What's far-left about THAT?

I don't care about what Mussolini did. Obamacare follows the successful approach that all other industrialized countries and many 3rd world countries have taken to achieve more efficient health care delivery. America is the worst not because of Obamacare but in spite of it. What is it with Republicans who want to deprive the needy of desperately needed health care? Maybe this?

Disposable Americans: Unworthy of Life?

According to an analysis by the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, the Republican health care plan, had it passed, would have paid more in tax cuts to the richest 400 Americans than it would have paid in health insurance tax credits for 813,000 poor Americans.

Depriving vulnerable people of health care is disturbingly reminiscent of the Nazi-era "Lebensunwertes Leben"—Life Unworthy of Life, based on certain groups being a drain on resources and thus disposable to the people in power. It's a harsh interpretation of a troubled time in America. But it's an apt description of reality. Health care is a human right, not just a privilege for those with money. The merciless attacks on low-income health care programs effectively condemn thousands of people to an early death.

 

[FollowTheWay]

I thought we already fought a civil war to show that nobody has a right to someone else's labor?

You can choose to let these people die. My faith compels me to help them.

 

[Matt Black]

I thought we already fought a civil war to show that nobody has a right to someone else's labor?

No one forces people to work for the NHS here: they apply for a job with the NHS same as everywhere else. Nice of you to compare my wife, who works for the NHS, to a slave BTW...