Is infant baptism from the Bible?

[Walpole]

Paul is speaking of the Baptism in and of the Holy Spirit in that passage, not water baptism, and peter was saying that be baptized into the source of your remission of sins, Jesus Himself!

Sorry, but St. Paul says there is only one baptism ---> "one Lord, one faith, one baptism" (Eph 4:5)

This is Christianity 101. You have created something completely foreign from the Christian faith.

 

[Yeshua1]

Sorry, but St. Paul says there is only one baptism ---> "one Lord, one faith, one baptism" (Eph 4:5)

This is Christianity 101. You have created something completely foreign from the Christian faith.

One baptism, done by the Holy Spirit Himself when he regenerates and seals un into the Body of Christ!

 

[Walpole]

One baptism, done by the Holy Spirit Himself when he regenerates and seals un into the Body of Christ!

Again, you have created something completely foreign to the Christian faith. Here is our Blessed Lord's instruction:

---> "Going therefore, teach ye all nations; baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost." (Mt. 28:19)

In the above instruction on administering baptism, when is this formula ever recited sans water?

You have completely changed baptism to multiple different empty rituals. Based on your understanding, if true, our Lord's instruction would be rendered, "Going therefore, teach ye all nations: but the Holy Spirit will be baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit."


The Protestant anti-Sacramentalism is born from a fallacious Christology. Try as they may to rid Christianity of baptism, they cannot. For it is in baptism where man is born again, which gives him "newness of life." (cf. Romans 6:4)

 

[Garrett20]

Again, you have created something completely foreign to the Christian faith. Here is our Blessed Lord's instruction:

---> "Going therefore, teach ye all nations; baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost." (Mt. 28:19)

In the above instruction on administering baptism, when is this formula ever recited sans water?

You have completely changed baptism to multiple different empty rituals. Based on your understanding, if true, our Lord's instruction would be rendered, "Going therefore, teach ye all nations: but the Holy Spirit will be baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit."


The Protestant anti-Sacramentalism is born from a fallacious Christology. Try as they may to rid Christianity of baptism, they cannot. For it is in baptism where man is born again, which gives him "newness of life." (cf. Romans 6:4)

So Almighty God cannot save anyone without using water?

Throwing someone in water will not make them walk in this ‘newness of life’.

 

[Yeshua1]

Again, you have created something completely foreign to the Christian faith. Here is our Blessed Lord's instruction:

---> "Going therefore, teach ye all nations; baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost." (Mt. 28:19)

In the above instruction on administering baptism, when is this formula ever recited sans water?

You have completely changed baptism to multiple different empty rituals. Based on your understanding, if true, our Lord's instruction would be rendered, "Going therefore, teach ye all nations: but the Holy Spirit will be baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit."


The Protestant anti-Sacramentalism is born from a fallacious Christology. Try as they may to rid Christianity of baptism, they cannot. For it is in baptism where man is born again, which gives him "newness of life." (cf. Romans 6:4)

There are the baptism done by the Holy Spirit when one receives jesus thru faith, and then the water baptism is administered. None without the Holy Spirit now indwelling them are to get water baptized, as its the outward symbol of the inward work that has already been done!

 

[Walpole]

There are the baptism done by the Holy Spirit when one receives jesus thru faith, and then the water baptism is administered. None without the Holy Spirit now indwelling them are to get water baptized, as its the outward symbol of the inward work that has already been done!

Ok so that's two baptisms by your count. One when one "receives Jesus" (whatever you think that means) and the other when water is administered.

Again, this is completely foreign to Christianity. For in Christianity, there is only ONE baptism. Here again is St. Paul...

---> "One Lord, one faith, one baptism" (Eph 4:5)


The early Christians even made this belief in "one baptism for the forgiveness of sins" part of their earliest creeds. We can conclude they were clearly not Baptists.

 

[Yeshua1]

Ok so that's two baptisms by your count. One when one "receives Jesus" (whatever you think that means) and the other when water is administered.

Again, this is completely foreign to Christianity. For in Christianity, there is only ONE baptism. Here again is St. Paul...

---> "One Lord, one faith, one baptism" (Eph 4:5)


The early Christians even made this belief in "one baptism for the forgiveness of sins" part of their earliest creeds. We can conclude they were clearly not Baptists.

Just shows that even back then satan was getting into the church to pervert the Apostolic doctrines of the faith, as Paul warmed us thru the Holy Spirit!

 

[Walpole]

Just shows that even back then satan was getting into the church to pervert the Apostolic doctrines of the faith, as Paul warmed us thru the Holy Spirit!

But the Apostles taught that there is one baptism (Eph 4:5) and it is for the forgiveness of sins (Acts 2:38-39). Yet you are the one contradicting them, thereby perverting the Apostolic faith.

Do you not see that?

 

[Yeshua1]

But the Apostles taught that there is one baptism (Eph 4:5) and it is for the forgiveness of sins (Acts 2:38-39). Yet you are the one contradicting them, thereby perverting the Apostolic faith.

Do you not see that?

I see that sins being forgiven are due to the shed blood of Jesus on my behalf, and not by getting water baptized!
Receive the Holy Spirit when receiving Jesus thru faith, not by the water baptism!

 

[tyndale1946]

I see that sins being forgiven are due to the shed blood of Jesus on my behalf, and not by getting water baptized!
Receive the Holy Spirit when receiving Jesus thru faith, not by the water baptism!

First of all we don't baptize infants because the scriptures tells us not to... We believe in believers baptism, I agree 100% what HankD said on post #2... What infant can claim this?... NONE!... Brother Glen

1 Peter 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

3:22 Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.

 

[padredurand]

Calvin has spoken. This discussion should now end:

Doubtless, the design of Satan in assaulting infant baptism with all his forces is to keep out of view, and gradually efface, that attestation of divine grace which the promise itself presents to our eyes. In this way, not only would men be impiously ungrateful for the mercy of God, but be less careful in training their children to piety. For it is no slight stimulus to us to bring them up in the fear of God, and the observance of his law, when we reflect, that from their birth they have been considered and acknowledged by him as his children. Wherefore, if we would not maliciously obscure the kindness of God, let us present to him our infants, to whom he has assigned a place among his friends and family that is, the members of the Church. Institutes Book 4;16​

 

[Adonia]

I see that sins being forgiven are due to the shed blood of Jesus on my behalf, and not by getting water baptized!
Receive the Holy Spirit when receiving Jesus thru faith, not by the water baptism!

Then according to you a water baptism is not required even though such an action is mentioned many times in the Holy Scriptures. It is clear that you pervert the scriptures more often than not.

 

[Walpole]

Then according to you a water baptism is not required even though such an action is mentioned many times in the Holy Scriptures. It is clear that you pervert the scriptures more often than not.

Good point. They thereby make baptism nothing more than an empty ritual. Furthermore, St. Peter wrote...

"... because they formerly did not obey, when God’s patience waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were brought safely through water. Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a good conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ, is at the right hand of God, with angels, authorities, and powers having been subjected to him." (1 Peter 3:20-22)

The Apostle refers to baptism as the antitype of the flood. This is an important point the Apostle makes because in Christianity, the reality of something always surpasses the type / figure of it. If baptism is merely an empty ritual as the poster is are arguing, then it would be the very first time in all of Scripture where the type / figure of something would have surpassed the reality of it.

 

[Walpole]

First of all we don't baptize infants because the scriptures tells us not to... We believe in believers baptism, I agree 100% what HankD said on post #2... What infant can claim this?... NONE!... Brother Glen

1 Peter 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

3:22 Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.

Please post the verse(s) from Scripture which tells us to not baptize infants.

I entered "Do not baptize infants" into a search and nothing comes up. I must be missing it...

 

[Zenas]

It’s always amusing to read threads such as this. Scripture speaks as plainly on this subject as it does on any point of theology. Yet Baptists are so set against sacraments that they spiritualize, minimize, twist, prevaricate or simply ignore the many passages of scripture that explain what baptism is really about. A common sense reading of the statements about baptism always leads to the same conclusion—that sins are remitted through baptism which Christ has ordained as the gateway to salvation. Yet we continue to hear the predictable objections to common sense plain meaning readings.

· “It’s not being baptized for forgiveness of sins but on account of the forgiveness of sins.”

· “Born of water and the spirit cannot possibly have anything to do with baptism.”

· “This passage is referring to baptism of the Holy Spirit, not water baptism.”

· “Baptism doesn’t save you, it just gets you wet.”

· “Paul minimized the importance of baptism.”

So, Adonia and Walpole, don’t expect reasoned arguments in opposition to your positions. They don’t exist. Expect mostly nonresponsive, sometimes misleading or elusive, statements from these people. They can’t bring themselves to understand the truth. It would upset the very foundation of why they exist. Like the Jews in Romans 11:8, “God has given them a spirit of stupor, eyes that they should not see and ears that they should not hear.”

 

[Yeshua1]

Calvin has spoken. This discussion should now end:

Doubtless, the design of Satan in assaulting infant baptism with all his forces is to keep out of view, and gradually efface, that attestation of divine grace which the promise itself presents to our eyes. In this way, not only would men be impiously ungrateful for the mercy of God, but be less careful in training their children to piety. For it is no slight stimulus to us to bring them up in the fear of God, and the observance of his law, when we reflect, that from their birth they have been considered and acknowledged by him as his children. Wherefore, if we would not maliciously obscure the kindness of God, let us present to him our infants, to whom he has assigned a place among his friends and family that is, the members of the Church. Institutes Book 4;16​

I am a reformed Baptist, so would take His view on salvation proper, but not infant baptism!

 

[Yeshua1]

Then according to you a water baptism is not required even though such an action is mentioned many times in the Holy Scriptures. It is clear that you pervert the scriptures more often than not.

how did the thief on the Cross get water baptized?

 

[Yeshua1]

Good point. They thereby make baptism nothing more than an empty ritual. Furthermore, St. Peter wrote...

"... because they formerly did not obey, when God’s patience waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were brought safely through water. Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a good conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ, is at the right hand of God, with angels, authorities, and powers having been subjected to him." (1 Peter 3:20-22)

The Apostle refers to baptism as the antitype of the flood. This is an important point the Apostle makes because in Christianity, the reality of something always surpasses the type / figure of it. If baptism is merely an empty ritual as the poster is are arguing, then it would be the very first time in all of Scripture where the type / figure of something would have surpassed the reality of it.

peter in that same passage takes us the Christ as being our Ark Himself, as its Him , not the water, that now saves us!

 

[Yeshua1]

Please post the verse(s) from Scripture which tells us to not baptize infants.

I entered "Do not baptize infants" into a search and nothing comes up. I must be missing it...

Read the great commission, as Infants and babies are not instructed and trained up as disciples yet!

 

[Yeshua1]

It’s always amusing to read threads such as this. Scripture speaks as plainly on this subject as it does on any point of theology. Yet Baptists are so set against sacraments that they spiritualize, minimize, twist, prevaricate or simply ignore the many passages of scripture that explain what baptism is really about. A common sense reading of the statements about baptism always leads to the same conclusion—that sins are remitted through baptism which Christ has ordained as the gateway to salvation. Yet we continue to hear the predictable objections to common sense plain meaning readings.

· “It’s not being baptized for forgiveness of sins but on account of the forgiveness of sins.”

· “Born of water and the spirit cannot possibly have anything to do with baptism.”

· “This passage is referring to baptism of the Holy Spirit, not water baptism.”

· “Baptism doesn’t save you, it just gets you wet.”

· “Paul minimized the importance of baptism.”

So, Adonia and Walpole, don’t expect reasoned arguments in opposition to your positions. They don’t exist. Expect mostly nonresponsive, sometimes misleading or elusive, statements from these people. They can’t bring themselves to understand the truth. It would upset the very foundation of why they exist. Like the Jews in Romans 11:8, “God has given them a spirit of stupor, eyes that they should not see and ears that they should not hear.”

Do you and they hold to the Pauline Justification of Gospel of Christ as being saved by grace alone, thru faith alone then?