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Is infant baptism from the Bible?
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Imagine your at a river baptizing folks with Jesus Christ. Finally the last person left there is a paralyzed person who can't make his will known.
You turn to Jesus and what is expected?
Jesus Christ, the epitome of Love and kindness says......... LEAVE HIM........My sheep hear my voice.
See your heart tells you what is right, Evil is just obnoxiously stupid.
You turn to Jesus and what is expected?
Jesus Christ, the epitome of Love and kindness says......... LEAVE HIM........My sheep hear my voice.
See your heart tells you what is right, Evil is just obnoxiously stupid.
Reformed1689
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So nobody can be saved as they are dying? Too bad, so sad?
The good news is that if he was one of those sheep, Jesus would save him regardless if he could ever get water baptized!
If he wasn't his sheep, he would just leave him on the side of the road.
real good news there.
is God obligated to save any? ALL of us deserve to go to hell!
Reformed1689
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The good news is that he saves anyone at all.
Its shocking surprise that God would save anyone at all, IF.....IF IF you expected God to be a complete Jerk.
I hold the opposite view, I am NOT surprised God is great and wants everyone saved.
We have been through this scenario many times before, but since you have trouble understanding I will repeat it one more time. The thief did not need to get water baptized as the thief was right there next to the Master and the Master waived any and all requirements that the scriptures say the rest of us must adhere to in order to see heaven. The Master said the thief would see paradise, so you can be assured it would/did happen EVEN THOUGH HE WAS NOT WATER BAPTISED. Got that?
Reformed1689
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You have a low view of the justice and holiness of God then.
Reformed1689
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Where does Scripture state that?
Reformed1689
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Here is the simple answer. Infant Baptism is not found anywhere in Scripture. Not once. It is only derived from tradition and a reading into the text something that is not there. It does not save people. It does not put a special promise on that child's life. It is not commanded in any way. Period.
State what?
Reformed1689
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That Jesus made an exception to the Baptism rule. That would first assume baptism is part of salvation to begin with.
You are the one who holds fallen and evil view of Justice based on sadistic suffering of another.
If we look at Christian Justice:
Tzedakah - Wikipedia
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Tzedakah [ts(e)daˈka] (Hebrew: צדקה) is a Hebrew word meaning "justice" or "righteousness," but commonly used to signify charity.[1] This concept of "charity" differs from the modern Western understanding of "charity." The latter is typically understood as a spontaneous act of goodwill and a marker of generosity; tzedakah is an ethical obligation.
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Justice is connected to AGAPE, Charity.
You are overly focused on the suffering of others at the expense of actual justice that is owed to God.
When devoid of love, mercy, charity, what you call justice is nothing but evil in sheep's clothing.
Projecting your own sense of Justice on God is your error.
No assuming here, it's right there in the Holy Writ in black and white. Did you miss that part?
Walpole
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Baptism is part of salvation:
Our Blessed Lord in John 3:5 ---> Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God."
Our Blessed Lord in Mark 16:16 ---> "Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned."
St. Peter in 1 Peter 3:20-21 ---> ...when God's patience waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were brought safely through water. Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a good conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ...
Jesus makes an "exception" for the Good Thief:
Our Blessed Lord in Luke 23:39-43 ---> One of the criminals who were hanged railed at him, saying, “Are you not the Christ? Save yourself and us!” But the other rebuked him, saying, “Do you not fear God, since you are under the same sentence of condemnation? And we indeed justly, for we are receiving the due reward of our deeds; but this man has done nothing wrong.” And he said, “Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom.” And he said to him, “Truly, I say to you, today you will be with me in paradise.”
What you call an "exception" is properly called baptismus flaminisa, or the desire for baptism. Your question indicates you, like the others in this thread, are an anti-Sacramentialist and thereby reject baptism as a Sacrament necessary to enter the Kingdom of God, as being necessary for everlasting life, and as being necessary for remission of original and actual sin. If one ‘desires’ these things, they desire baptism and only circumstances will keep them from baptism and the Catholic Church (the two are mutually inclusive).
This is Christianity 101.
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Walpole
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Non-sequitur.
Walpole
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I have concluded the stereotype that most Protestants know the Scriptures well is a false one.
Baptism itself was not commanded by scripture. It was set independent of scripture. All those years without a new testament there would be zero grounds to do any baptism at all, if they were only allowed to adhere by scripture.
Coming of age baptism is not found anywhere in scripture.
Baptism is referred to Circumcision of Christ, his version of circumcision. Jesus himself was circumcised 8 days old.
Colossians 2
11and in Him you were also circumcised with a circumcision made without hands, in the removal of the body of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ; 12having been buried with Him in baptism, in which you were also raised up with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead.
The earliest arguments over baptism and one's age is some believed a infant had to be 8 days old to be baptized.
Here you can see the response to the argument, this is happening year 250's. And it also makes excellent case for Infant baptism at all.
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