Please address the definition, rather than deflect with disparagement of the source.....Wikipedia....anything else is unbiblical.
The above definition is "Inherent Omniscience."
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Is Jesus Omniscient?
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The above definition is "Inherent Omniscience."
Once again we have a multi-page thread concerning "omniscience" with posters failing to define what they believe the term means.
Was Jesus omniscient while on earth? Depends of what is meant by "omniscient." If you define it as knowing everything imaginable, then No. If you define it as God the Son knowing everything He chose to know, then Yes He was omniscient.
He did not know the time of His return, so He did not know everything imaginable. He was "all knowing" according to John 21:17 so He knew whatever He deemed to know.
Was Jesus omniscient while on earth? Depends of what is meant by "omniscient." If you define it as knowing everything imaginable, then No. If you define it as God the Son knowing everything He chose to know, then Yes He was omniscient.
He did not know the time of His return, so He did not know everything imaginable. He was "all knowing" according to John 21:17 so He knew whatever He deemed to know.
KenH
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You apparently claim that Christ Jesus is omniscient but not always omniscient.
It is not correct, it is not Biblical, it is not logical, it is not possible that God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit are ever anything other than 100% OMNIPOTENT, 100% OMNIPRESENT, 100% OMNICSCIENT, 100% IMMUTABLE.
This is a really dangerous, false, unBiblical, God dishonoring, idea being thrown around here in this thread like so much confetti that God can be fully something at one time, then not fully something another time, etc., etc., etc.
If such stuff was even in the least bit true, then this entire universe would have spun off into total chaos long, long, long ago.
Exactly.
I never said "all" refers to "everything imaginable".
YOU attributed that to me.
I didn't say that I believe Inherent Omniscience (you misunderstood my post....I didn't mean the comment to be saying my view but instead listing three views ... 1. My definition, 2. Inherent Omniscience, and 3. The definition you falsely attribute to me).
Looking at the post, I can see why you made the mistake (it wasn't clear in my post as it could be read either way).
Still failing to address the meaning of "all" in "all knowing!"
No. I have not made any such claim.
I said have only said three things regarding my belief:
1. I define "omniscience" as "all knowing".
2. I lean towards #3 on the OP poll.
3. I believe that only the Father knew the hour.
Here is why:
1. I define omniscience as "all knowing" as the word comes from omniscientia which is a combination of omnis (all) and sciens (knowing).
2. There are instances where Jesus says that He didn't know something, but He is God and an attribute of God is omniscience (just as Jesus was in particular locations, but an attribute of God is omnipresence). It's a leaning, not a dogmatic claim.
3. Scripture says that of the hour only the Father knows. I accept the passage as true.
Everything else you just attributed to me because I observed you made an unsupported conclusion.
Not true.
I claim that only the Father knew the hour because that is what Scripture says.
I made no attempt to reconcile that with omniscience as I feel no need to do so.
The Bible says only the Father knew and I can just accept that as true.
I have presented biblical truth, and asked you to acknowledge that truth, and you have decided not to engage. Fine.
Was Jesus omniscient while on earth? Depends of what is meant by "omniscient." If you define it as knowing everything imaginable, then No. If you define it as God the Son knowing everything He chose to know, then Yes He was omniscient.
He did not know the time of His return, so He did not know everything imaginable. He was "all knowing" according to John 21:17 so He knew whatever He deemed to know. Omniscience is the capacity to know everything.
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No, this is a false claim.
Biblical truth is that God is omniscient, Jesus is God, and there was something only the Father knew.
You presented philosophy to reconcile those bibblical truths.
You are complaining that I do not feel a need to reconcile what does seem to be a logical issue. But what you present is not biblical truth.
I don't know how Jesus' divine attributes operated between his incarnation and resurrection.
I believe that only the Father knew the hour because that is what the Bible states.
I believe Jesus is fully God and fully man - No less God in His divinity and no more man in His humanity.
Beyond that is vain philosophy. It leads some to redefine omniscience and others to deny Scripture.
KenH
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So you do not confess that Christ Jesus was, is, and always will be 100% omniscient at all times, including during His time in a human body on this earth.
Do I confess that Jesus is/was 100% omniscient at all times?So you do not confess that Christ Jesus was, is, and always will be 100% omniscient at all times, including during His time in a human body on this earth.
I don't know. He "emptied" Himself, taking the form of a servant. Does this mean He set aside omniscience? I don't know. Does this mean He didn't? I don't know.
I do know that Jesus is 100% God and 100% man.
I also know that only the Father knew that hour.
Do you believe that...that ONLY the Father knew the hour?
Ken, it seems to me that Gill also divided Jesus nature by saying there is one nature, fully human, and another nature, fully God. The full nature of God is omniscient. The full nature of man is finite and not always knowing. You have stated that you believe Gill has best expressed this duality, which upholds Jesus attributes as fully God and fully man. What, then, is your contention? It seems you may be disagreeing with Gill on this matter, which is fine, but I am not entirely sure what you are contending against, unless you disagree with the duality of Jesus nature. Please clarify.So you do not confess that Christ Jesus was, is, and always will be 100% omniscient at all times, including during His time in a human body on this earth.
@KenH
Scripture tells us. “Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will not pass away. But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone." Matthew 24:35–36
@KenH , do you believe of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone?
Scripture tells us. “Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will not pass away. But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone." Matthew 24:35–36
@KenH , do you believe of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone?
You can make your claims till the cows come home. I have presented biblical truth, and asked you to acknowledge that truth, and you have decided not to engage. Fine.
Was Jesus omniscient while on earth? Depends of what is meant by "omniscient." If you define it as knowing everything imaginable, then No. If you define it as God the Son knowing everything He chose to know, then Yes He was omniscient.
He did not know the time of His return, so He did not know everything imaginable. He was "all knowing" according to John 21:17 so He knew whatever He deemed to know. Omniscience is the capacity to know everything.
No. You are saying that Jesus was omniscient when He chose to be, but less than omniscient when He chose to be.
omniscient
adjective
om·ni·scient äm-ˈni-shənt
1: having infinite awareness, understanding, and insight. an omniscient authorthe narrator seems an omniscient person who tells us about the characters and their relations—Ira Konigsberg
2: possessed of universal or complete knowledge
the omniscient God
Definition of OMNISCIENT
You are saying if you know less than everything imaginable, you are not omniscient. But you have no biblical basis for that definition. Your view is unbiblical as demonstrated in post #157. This is the biblical definition: Omniscience is the capacity to know everything.
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