You are denying your post. You said Jesus was less than omniscient when He chose to be. Thus you said if you know less than everything imaginable, you are less than omniscient. Unbiblical nonsense.
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Is Jesus Omniscient?
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KenH
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You will not confess that Christ Jesus was, is, and always will be 100% in His Divine nature, even while He was on this earth in a human body.
May God always enable me through the rest of my sojourn on this earth to never, ever believe like you do, sir.
I quoted you from your post #158. Was Jesus omniscient while on earth? Depends of what is meant by "omniscient." If you define it as knowing everything imaginable, then No. If you define it as God the Son knowing everything He chose to know, then Yes He was omniscient.
He did not know the time of His return, so He did not know everything imaginable. He was "all knowing" according to John 21:17 so He knew whatever He deemed to know. Omniscience is the capacity to know everything.
Why make false accusations?
I already said that Jesus is no less God in His divinity and no more man in His humanity.
The only part we disagreed on was when you rejected that of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone.
I simply will not denounce Scripture, @KenH . Even if I can't reconcile a passage, I WILL NOT deny that passage. To deny God's Word is to deny God.
I'll ask again, @KenH
do you believe "of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone"?
KenH
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From what I have read in their commentaries on the subject, I am in agreement with John Gill, Robert Hawker, and Matthew Henry.
My contention is with the idea permeating this thread that God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit are ever less than 100% OMNIPOTENT, 100% OMNIPRESENT, 100% OMNISCIENT, 100% IMMUTABLE, 100% SOVEREIGN.
I reject this dangerous idea being promulgated in this thread that when God the Son joined His Divine nature to a human nature that He thereby - as God the Son - ceased to continue to be fully God while on this earth in a human body. He did no such thing. He submitted Himself to be joined together with a human body so that He could fulfill the Law as a Man for God's elect and die as a propitiation for the sins of God's elect and defeat death by being resurrected on behalf of God's elect.
We both know what it says, which is your denial that omniscient cannot be less than everything imaginable. I quoted you from your post #158. Was Jesus omniscient while on earth? Depends of what is meant by "omniscient." If you define it as knowing everything imaginable, then No. If you define it as God the Son knowing everything He chose to know, then Yes He was omniscient.
He did not know the time of His return, so He did not know everything imaginable. He was "all knowing" according to John 21:17 so He knew whatever He deemed to know. Omniscience is the capacity to know everything.
This is where you become confused. NOBODY on this thread is remotely suggesting that when God the Son joined His Divine nature to a human nature that He thereby - as God the Son - ceased to continue to be fully God while on this earth in a human body.
KenH
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God the Son, in His Divine nature, knew and knows the day and the hour of His return. In His human nature I have no problem with how John Gill, Robert Hawker, and Matthew Henry handle the issue that you raise - see my post #56 way back in this thread.
Van said: Was Jesus omniscient while on earth? Depends of what is meant by "omniscient." If you define it as knowing everything imaginable, then No. If you define it as God the Son knowing everything He chose to know, then Yes He was omniscient. He did not know the time of His return, so He did not know everything imaginable. He was "all knowing" according to John 21:17 so He knew whatever He deemed to know. Omniscience is the capacity to know everything.
JonC said: No. You are saying that Jesus was omniscient when He chose to be, but less than omniscient when He chose to be.
Thus JonC said if you know less than everything, you are less than omniscient. Game, Set and Match.
JonC said: No. You are saying that Jesus was omniscient when He chose to be, but less than omniscient when He chose to be.
Thus JonC said if you know less than everything, you are less than omniscient. Game, Set and Match.
No, you did not quote me from post #158. You misquoted me from the post (I quoted the entire post on that reply and will again here, taking the liberty to highlight for your edification).
KenH
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Come on, man! It's all over this thread - the false claim that Christ Jesus, in His Divine nature - did not know when judgment would be rendered. If that is not what you are saying, then why are you arguing with me?
Not at all. You try to play word games by misquoted me, by attributing to me things I did not say, by arguing against what I never said, ect.
But you are playing solitaire.
I merely offered the definition of omniscience, said I lean towards #3 in the OP poll, and said that I believe only the Father knew that hour.
I'm just quoting Scripture.
What is all over this thread is me saying Scripture tells us. “Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will not pass away. But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone." Matthew 24:35–36
And then asking you if you believe of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone.
KenH
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Yet not understanding what the Holy Scriptures teach, even though it is being explained to you - by John Gill, by Robert Hawker, by Matthew Henry, even by puny little me.
So what are you disagreeing with concerning Christ Jesus - in His Divine nature - always knowing everything?
I am not disagreeing with any passage. I am only saying that I believe that hour was known by the Father alone.
@KenH , do you believe of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone?
KenH
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Read my post #170 earlier in this thread.
I read that post.
I take it you do not believe that the hour was known by the Father alone as Scripture states.
That is the problem with philosophy. It leads many good, well meaning, men down the road you have taken into rejecting God's Word.
KenH
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Do you believe that in His Divine Nature - while on this earth - that Christ Jesus knew when Jerusalem would be destroyed, thus ending ancient Israel.
Do you believe that in His Divine Nature - while on this earth - that Christ Jesus knew when He would come to earth the second time to replace this present heavens and earth with the new heavens and earth wherein dwells righteousness?
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