Is Jesus Omniscient?

[JonC]

Do you believe that in His Divine Nature - while on this earth - that Christ Jesus knew when Jerusalem would be destroyed, thus ending ancient Israel.

Do you believe that in His Divine Nature - while on this earth - that Christ Jesus knew when He would come to earth the second time to replace this present heavens and earth with the new heavens and earth wherein dwells righteousness?

I believe the traditional Christian view of the Theanthropos (I see no reason to reinvent the orthodox concept of the hypostatic union- two natures, inseparable, indivisible, without mixture, one person).

I understand that is not what you believe, and that's OK. It is good to revisit old doctrines. But it is not good to insist everyone climb on board your train of thought.

 

[KenH]

I believe the traditional Christian view of the Theanthropos (I see no reason to reinvent the orthodox concept of the hypostatic union- two natures, inseparable, indivisible, without mixture, one person).

I understand that is not what you believe, and that's OK. It is good to revisit old doctrines. But it is not good to insist everyone climb on board your train of thought.

You didn't answer my questions.

 

[37818]

Why does God need a second Person or a third Person? Why should God have done, what as one Person He can do Himself?

 

[AustinC]

Why does God need a second Person or a third Person? Why should God have done, what as one Person He can do Himself?

I don't understand this question. It sounds like a question a Muslim might ask.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Jesus said he did nothing but what the father told him. I would say he did not know anything unless he was told by the father or spirit.. so I chose answer # 3

 

[AVL1984]

Is there a reason we're questioning his part in the Godhead? Yes, Jesus said he did what the Father told him...he also said that no man knew the day or the hour...yet, we're trying to put man's finite understanding on an everlasting God....His ways are not our ways...his thoughts are not our thoughts. Is it productive to even waste time on this when the Bible is clear that Jesus is God, and God is omniscient, omnipresent, and omnipotent?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Is there a reason we're questioning his part in the Godhead? Yes, Jesus said he did what the Father told him...he also said that no man knew the day or the hour...yet, we're trying to put man's finite understanding on an everlasting God....His ways are not our ways...his thoughts are not our thoughts. Is it productive to even waste time on this when the Bible is clear that Jesus is God, and God is omniscient, omnipresent, and omnipotent?

not sure it is a waste of time

God can not die. Jesus did
God knows everything, Jesus did not
God can't get hurt. Jesus did
God is omnipresent. Jesus on earth was not.

I can go on and on about the differences

 

[AVL1984]

not sure it is a waste of time

God can not die. Jesus did
God knows everything, Jesus did not
God can't get hurt. Jesus did
God is omnipresent. Jesus on earth was not.

I can go on and on about the differences

While in a human body, Christ laid aside most of his heavenly attributes. God CAN get hurt, God CAN get angry, and Christ, though not physically able to be in all places at once, could still see the disciple under the tree being talked to by his brother.....He even confronted him about it. This IS sort of a silly thread in my honest opinion. Jesus died, yes...but it was only the PHYSICAL being who died. He commended his spirit to God. His soul went into the depths and preached to the captives. Seems pretty straightforward to me.

 

[37818]

God is omnipresent. Jesus on earth was not.

False. See John 3:13, He was also in Heaven. See Hebrews 1:3 He was "upholding all things by the word of his power" even while He died on the cross.

 

[JonC]

You didn't answer my questions.

Sure I did.

Jesus is God. Between His incarnation and resurrection Jesus was no less God than is the Father and Spirit.

Jesus is 100% God and 100% man...no less God in His divinity and no more human in His humanity.

If you cannot grasp that then I'm sorry. I don't know how to make it any simpler.

The thing is, I also believe Scripture. I believe the Bible is God's Word. So (obviously) I also believe of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone.

You present it as one or the other....that if I believe Scripture I cannot believe Jesus is God. But that is a false dichotomy.

I believe Scripture AND I believe Jesus is God.

 

[KenH]

Sure I did.

Jesus is God. Between His incarnation and resurrection Jesus was no less God than is the Father and Spirit.

Jesus is 100% God and 100% man...no less God in His divinity and no more human in His humanity.

If you cannot grasp that then I'm sorry. I don't know how to make it any simpler.

The thing is, I also believe Scripture. I believe the Bible is God's Word. So (obviously) I also believe of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone.

You present it as one or the other....that if I believe Scripture I cannot believe Jesus is God. But that is a false dichotomy.

I believe Scripture AND I believe Jesus is God.

So you evidently either don't think the Christ Jesus - in His Divine nature - was 100% omniscient while living on this earth or you just shrug your shoulders and are saying that you don't know or haven't made up your mind.

I guess, since I imagine this thread will be closed soon, that we will just leave our discussion at that. Have a nice evening, @JonC.

 

[JonC]

So you evidently either don't think the Christ Jesus - in His Divine nature - was 100% omniscient while living on this earth or you just shrug your shoulders and are saying that you don't know or haven't made up your mind.

I guess, since I imagine this thread will be closed soon, that we will just leave our discussion at that. Have a nice evening, @JonC.

Well, there is a bit to unpack in your question.

You assume I also reject orthodox Christianity. I do not understand why as I already told you I hold a traditional view of the Theanthropos. So I believe Christ was divine and human - without mixture (100% God, 100% man) but also inseparable and without division (not divine nature plus human nature).

So from a traditional Christian view, the idea that Jesus was something "in His Divine nature" that He wasn't "in His human nature" speaks more to schizophrenia than to biblical doctrine.

I believe that Jesus is God. He is no less God than the Father or Son. Jesus is man. He is no more man than you or me.

BUT I also believe that God's Word is true and without error. So when we open up our Bibles and read "of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone" I actually believe that to be true.

 

[JonC]

@KenH

Have a nice evening as well.

I haven't closed the thread because I've been avtive here and it'd look like I just wanted to get in the last word (and it'd probably be true )

But I figure it'll be closed soon. There are actually a lot of discussions that could be had from this thread.

 

[Salty]

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[JonC]

My final point -

No matter what we think regarding omniscience, omnipotence, omnipresence, immutability, ect. our understanding has to take a back seat to God's Word.

"Of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone."

I may not be able to tell you what Jesus knew when, but I can tell you with absolutely certainty that "of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone."

I may not be able to tell you how it is that Jesus is 100% man and 100% God, but I can tell you He is.

 

[37818]

Mark 13:32, ". . . But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father. . . ."
And the resurrected Jesus explains again, Acts of the Apostles 1:7, ". . . It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power. . . ." Jesus and the Father are the same God. But they are not the same Persons. [This is a case against modalism.]

 

[JonC]

Mark 13:32, ". . . But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father. . . ."
And the resurrected Jesus explains again, Acts of the Apostles 1:7, ". . . It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power. . . ." Jesus and the Father are the same God. But they are the same Persons.

Do you mean "not" (the last sentence)?

 

[37818]

Do you mean "not" (the last sentence)?

Yes.

 

[Salty]

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