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Is Mary Omini-present ?
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God the Son Incarnate ie: Jesus Christ is son of Mary, yes. No problem with that. [/QB][/QUOTE]
Is the title of Your God Son of Mary?
Do you say that God is Son of Mary?
Your god must be different from our God who is the Creator of All including Mary, His servant.
Could you not understand that Heb writer is mentioning the Earthly father ?
If you believe that Jesus has the Earthly father, it is Heretic, unbelieving the Virgin Birth. [/QB]</font>[/QUOTE]The text is silent on that point. You are reading something in that isn't there.
#1 Elijah was never dead - God took him to heaven directly without dying. (Just as He did with Enoch).Originally posted by BobRyan:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Armando:
Except for Jesus himself, he communicated with Moses and Eliyah during the transfiguration.
Armando
#2. Jude quotes from the "Assumption of Moses" when it recalls the story of Michael and Satan arguing over the body of Moses and the right of Michael to raise him from the dead in that story about the "Assumption of Moses". Since Jude approves of that detail -- I accept it.
Amen! Exactly as stated in scripture!!
In Christ,
Bob </font>[/QUOTE]Jos 1,1 "Now it came to pass after the death of Moses , the servant of the Lord, that the Lord spoke to Josue, the son of Nun, the minister of Moses, and said to him: Moses my servant is dead
Ooops Alert Alert Alert Possible Bible Contradiction. Which interpretation should we take, Joshua's book or the Assumption of Moses
Can't have it both ways. Either you believe what the Bible "clearly" says or you don't. Armando
You have to discern between what Bible says about the dead in general,and how Bible explains that even the dead are like living from the view of God, because He knows everything and even the dead persons are sleeping and waiting for the resurrection either for life or for the eternal punishment.
Prayer to the dead is found nowhere in the Bible, but only in Apocrypha (II Macc)
Prayer to the dead is found nowhere in the Bible, but only in Apocrypha (II Macc)
I think you mean according to Scripture and sound theology.(If you are refering to Mary as the Mother of God. If you are refering to Mary as omni-present you are wrong The Passion certainly never emphasized or even hinted at this idea.)Originally posted by Boanerges:
In an answer to the OP, according to Mel Gibson's passion movie, she was.
It might be interesting question.
But I believe Jesus is Omniscient and could do anything. Now the question is on the side of Moses. If Moses woke up for himself, then it could be a problem. But he was waken up by Jesus.
So, this doesn't give us the example of praying to the dead or for the dead.
OldRegular
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Saying that "she is the mother of the Church and as such intercedes and prays for it" is also heretical.
OldRegular
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Jesus Christ was fully man and fully God. Mary is the mother of the human nature of the God-man, Jesus Christ, not the Divine nature. Martyn Lloyd-Jones, an eminent British pastor of Westminster Chapel during the 20th century, writes [God the Father, God the Son, page 262]: “As the Lord’s divine nature had no mother, so His human nature had no father.”
Calling Mary the Mother of God is heretical.
How could people invent such idea that a dead woman intercede for the Church of God?
Such idea is based on Omni-Presence of Mary. Does Mary know about everything in the world? Can she understand about the modern life? Where did she learn about the automobile accidents and traveling by airplanes?
Does any human being become Omni-scient after death?
Such idea is based on Omni-Presence of Mary. Does Mary know about everything in the world? Can she understand about the modern life? Where did she learn about the automobile accidents and traveling by airplanes?
Does any human being become Omni-scient after death?
Moses was resurrected by Michael the archangel. Whether you believe Michael to be Christ or not, there is only one reason to get the body of one who is dead, that is to unite it again with the spirit, or breath of God. At which time Moses became once again a living soul. Or do you suppose that the body of Moses is on some kind of display,or exibit in heaven? That would be nonsense. It is at the resurrection that the body is taken and reunited with the spirit, or breath of God, who gave it in the first place. Then all who have died in Christ will once again be living souls for eternity.
Bye for now. Y. b. in C. Keith
Bye for now. Y. b. in C. Keith
There are some people who are rather blessed than Mary:
a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said unto him, Blessed is the womb that bare thee, and the paps which thou hast sucked. 28 But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it
a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said unto him, Blessed is the womb that bare thee, and the paps which thou hast sucked. 28 But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it
Jude 1:9 9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.
What kind of argument do you think they were having over the body of Moses?
4983 swma soma so'-mah
from 4982; TDNT-7:1024,1140; n n
AV-body 144, bodily 1, slave 1; 146
1) the body both of men or animals
1a) a dead body or corpse
1b) the living body
1b1) of animals
2) the bodies of planets and of stars (heavenly bodies)
3) is used of a (large or small) number of men closely united into one society, or family as it were; a social, ethical, mystical body
3a) so in the NT of the church
4) that which casts a shadow as distinguished from the shadow itself
The Devil, who is the accuser of the bretheren, was trying to prevent the resurrection of Moses. Claiming him as his, since he sinned in the wilderness and was not allowed to lead the children of Israel into the promised land. Just as he stands as the accuser of all those who are in Christ. He will do all possible to prevent us from obtaining the eternal life granted in and through Jesus Christ.
1 Pet 5:8-11 8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:
9 Whom resist stedfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world.
10 But the God of all grace, who hath called us unto his eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after that ye have suffered a while, make you perfect, stablish, strengthen, settle you.
11 To him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.
Bye for now. Y. b. in C. Keith
What kind of argument do you think they were having over the body of Moses?
4983 swma soma so'-mah
from 4982; TDNT-7:1024,1140; n n
AV-body 144, bodily 1, slave 1; 146
1) the body both of men or animals
1a) a dead body or corpse
1b) the living body
1b1) of animals
2) the bodies of planets and of stars (heavenly bodies)
3) is used of a (large or small) number of men closely united into one society, or family as it were; a social, ethical, mystical body
3a) so in the NT of the church
4) that which casts a shadow as distinguished from the shadow itself
The Devil, who is the accuser of the bretheren, was trying to prevent the resurrection of Moses. Claiming him as his, since he sinned in the wilderness and was not allowed to lead the children of Israel into the promised land. Just as he stands as the accuser of all those who are in Christ. He will do all possible to prevent us from obtaining the eternal life granted in and through Jesus Christ.
1 Pet 5:8-11 8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:
9 Whom resist stedfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world.
10 But the God of all grace, who hath called us unto his eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after that ye have suffered a while, make you perfect, stablish, strengthen, settle you.
11 To him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.
Bye for now. Y. b. in C. Keith