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Is Obama aMarxist?

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Nonsequitur

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Revmitchell said:
It is a legitimate question to ask "Is Obama a Marxist?" While Obama will not come out and say he is a Marxist we know that the extreme left are willing to hide their underlying intentions and ideology so as not to draw immediate scrutiny of their position. Karl Marx himself said that socialism was the step toward communism. Hitler did not make his intentions known up front.

We must be careful of who we put in public office:

"The public cannot be too curious concerning the characters of public men." --Samuel Adams, letter to James Warren November 4, 1775

This country was founded on personal liberty and capitalism and now it is being destroyed. By both those who claim to be conservative and hold to founding principles but who are willing to capitulate in order to be bi-partisan and by those who have suffered from socialistic indoctrination in our schools.

We will look at three areas, Obama's statements, his associations, and his policies. First looking at his statements:

"As radical as I think people try to characterize the Warren Court, it wasn’t that radical. It didn’t break free from the essential constraints that were placed by the founding fathers in the Constitution, at least as its been interpreted and Warren Court interpreted in the same way, that generally the Constitution is a charter of negative liberties. Says what the states can’t do to you. Says what the Federal government can’t do to you, but doesn’t say what the Federal government or State government must do on your behalf, and that hasn’t shifted and one of the, I think, tragedies of the civil rights movement was, um, because the civil rights movement became so court focused I think there was a tendency to lose track of the political and community organizing and activities on the ground that are able to put together the actual coalition of powers through which you bring about redistributive change. In some ways we still suffer from that." ~ Barack Obama

He has a political agenda to bring about "redistributed change". Karl Marx taught this very idea as the basis for his ideology:

"From each according to his ability, to each according to his need" ~ Karl Marx

So we see that the underlying ideology of Barack Obama is without doubt founded on Marxist principles. He was even bold enough to admit this philosophy when he spoke to Joe the Plumber during the campaign.

During his campaign at a press conference in 2008 in Jacksonville Fl he said he wanted to tax the profits of oil companies in order to pay for the mythical tax cuts he wanted to give to the middle class.

Moving on during the same campaign Obama said “It’s not surprising then that they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.”

Where did Obama get this philosophy from? One only need to look to Karl Marx once again. In the introduction of “Contribution to the Critique of Hegel’s Philosophy of Right” Marx asserts “Religious suffering is at the same time an expression of real suffering and a protest against real suffering. Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the sentiment of a heartless world, and the soul of a soulless condition. It is the opium of the people.”

So we see, through his statements, that Obama has an underlying Marxist philosophy that he wants to implement in his politics.
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I for one,......wait for it...... don't really care if he is a Marxist....or a communist, or a socialist, or a Maoist, or any other political persuation(sp?). All I know is, my hard earned money is being confiscated by the government to fund things that are against my beliefs. Not to mention that it is being confiscated under penalty of jail. Obama? Bush? Republican? Democrat?....All the same.
 
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targus

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alatide said:
When you vote against providing medical care or food for the needy you are saying it's wrong to support the poor.
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No one here is against medical care or food for the needy.

We are against a particular plan which is not simply medical care for the needy.

Did you know that HR3200 includes billions of dollars to build bicycle paths?

Wouldn't all that money be better spent providing medical care for the needy?

Why are you in favor of building bicycle paths for the rich instead of providing medical care for the needy?

Please justify this selfishness on your part, alatide.
 
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Thinkingstuff

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I expect to see a re-emergence of the Politburo in DC. I think we have gone to the extremes here. There is corruption in the private sector where Pharmacy Companies have unjustly inflated their price lobbing Congress all the way. Insurance companies though regulated have also lobbied giving more leighway to what they are allowed to do such as not covering people properly who've paid properly. Using such terms as Pre-existing conditions (that may never have been previous diagnosed). Or (this treatment is too expensive so we won't cover it). Though their offices are behind marble columns. And not just these the entire medical system is a closed circut that feeds off each other increasing the prices until the average american can't afford healthcare. And yes its Victorian in application. But thats an extreme. So we've gone to the other exteme which is nothing short of socialism and communistic thinking which will quickly enslave us to the state. Instead of allowing for enriching our politicians corrupt business execs should be held accountable and serve real jail time in a real jail Like Rykers. If business managers were moral (and many of them are its just the many bad ones that cause problems) we wouldn't have such issues. If politicians were incorruptable we wouldn't have such issues.
 
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OldRegular

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alatide said:
When you vote against providing medical care or food for the needy you are saying it's wrong to support the poor.
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alatide

Can we all assume that you are totally obedient to the following instruction from Jesus Christ [through John the Baptist] or did that happen in one of your former lives?

Luke 3:11. He answereth and saith unto them, He that hath two coats, let him impart to him that hath none; and he that hath meat, let him do likewise.
 
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Magnetic Poles

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Mitch, you throw the word "Marxist" around a lot. But be honest, and remember God knows if you are lying. Have you ever even read Das Kapital or the Manifesto of the Communist Party, two of Karl Marx's most famous treatises? I am not endorsing the values laid out in either, but it would seem that as much as you like to call people Marxists, that at least you would be intimately familiar with the writings of Marx & Engels.

I would also point out that communism is only one form of socialism. It's like the example, all wives are women, but not all women are wives.
 
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Revmitchell

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Magnetic Poles said:
Mitch, you throw the word "Marxist" around a lot. But be honest, and remember God knows if you are lying. Have you ever even read Das Kapital or the Manifesto of the Communist Party, two of Karl Marx's most famous treatises? I am not endorsing the values laid out in either, but it would seem that as much as you like to call people Marxists, that at least you would be intimately familiar with the writings of Marx & Engels.

I would also point out that communism is only one form of socialism. It's like the example, all wives are women, but not all women are wives.
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The first one no the second one yes. But rather than deal with the facts in the op you try to derail with unnecessary questions. Deal with the op. The real question here is what is the ultimate goal of folks like obama. Does he simply want a few socialistic programs or does he want to go all the way. Marx himself said socialism is the stepping stone to communism (my paraphrase). I do not give room for varying degrees of hardly anything. You are either liberal or conservative. Those who act in between just have not settled on it one way or the other. I also do not give room for varying degrees of socialism any more that I give varying degrees on how much woman a woman is. Either you are a man or a woman. I once thought Bush was a conservative. He turned out to be very liberal. A Marxist is one who holds to a philosophy as set out by Karl Marx. You may not agree with everything he said but the underlying philosophy is the same between all that you consider different forms. And quite frankly the current expressions of Marxism or what you would call socialism is quite conflated. There just simply is not a dimes bit of difference in today's world. You make a distinction based on how it is expressed. I do not care how it is expressed the underlying philosophy is still the same.
 
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Magnetic Poles

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Revmitchell said:
Sure it. I provided a set of facts that would answer the question and you have avoided them to move on to what is unnecessary.
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You are the one derailing your own thread with protestations and accusations. If you ask if Obama is a Marxist, we need to know your understanding of Marx's writings. Definitions do count for something.
 
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FlyForFun

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My answer to the OP is "Does it matter?"

If we apply the Marxist label to Obama, the only people who will nod North & South will be those who already oppose his policies and initiatives. Those that support him will continue to marginalize the "right wing goons."
 
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OldRegular

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Obama is the source of his being called a Socialist which some would call a mild form of Marxism. He admitted his socialist beliefs in a conversation with Joe the Plumber. He confesses in one of his books that he associated with Marxists while in college. He was mentored by a Marxist as a teenager. He sat under a Marxist "preacher?" for 20 years.

His policies since the inauguration indicate that he can rightly be called a Marxist. Some want to stick their head in the sand and deny that fact but his efforts to have the government take over the health care system is ample evidence.

His appointment of 35 + czars accountable only to him further indicate that he has the political mindset of a Marxist. His rabid advocacy of the slaughter of the unborn and his effort to ration health care to the elderly indicate that he has the moral mindset of a Marxist.
 
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