So no one can refute the op?
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Is Obama aMarxist?
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In its simplest form, Marxism is generally defined by calling for a classless society in which all means of production are commonly owned. Since Obama isn't calling for classes to be abolished (rather, he's relying on the ability of the upper class to taxes to support lower and middle classes), and isn't looking for the government to own all means of production, he is categorically disqualified from being a Marxist. One could make a case for some of his policies having socialist proclivities, but one cannot make a case for him being a Marxist.
Magnetic Poles
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While both Bush 43 and Obama have been in office over the past year, we have moved the needle toward socialism with the feds purchasing assets from GM & Chrysler. Socialism is collective ownership of the means of production. However, the goal is to sell those assets at some point down the road, not a long term holding. Therefore, I see this as a move toward socialism, but as a temporary and limited step, and only for a few companies. As you pointed out, this does not equate to Marxism.
In Das Kapital, Marx made the point that capitalism naturally exploits the laborers. Since Obama wants to raise the taxes of the wealthy class, I would also say this is another indicator that he is certainly not a Marxist. Marxism does NOT equal Socialism, does not equal Communism. To claim otherwise is simplistic and incorrect.
OldRegular
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I have heard the term neocon tossed around the last 8 years. Perhaps Obama is a neoMarxist. I don't believe it however. He is Marxist to the core, just still in the closet!
Your PO states Obama is a marxist. I refuted that by virtue of simple deduction. Obama might be many things, but he is categorically disqualified from being a Marxist. The OP is adequately refuted.
You offered nothing his lack of calling for anything at this particular moment is evidence of only that and leads to no logical deduction of whether he is a Marxist or not. I laid out a solid case no one has addressed.
OldRegular
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Is it OK just to call him a Communist?
He is a Marxist the op makes it clear by his statements, his associations and his policies. His unwillingness to be forthcoming is not evidence to the contrary. His underlying philosophy is nothing but Marxist and he has surrounded himself with a large amount of Marxist.
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Robert Snow
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Just another posting in troll like manor, with nothing to add to the conversation. Just a typical Carpro insult!
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Touched a nerve, huh.
If you think that question is an insult, you've led a sheltered life.
Above all, try to be more original and...
Grow up and stop posting like a troll and you won't brand yourself as one.
Now back to the comment.
Do you actually believe Obama intends to divest the government of any of the businesses they've taken over? If you do , what other fairy tales do you believe in?
You don't have a clue. Just continuous Democrat bashing. You've lost any shred of credibility you ever had, which wasn't much.
Said the twice-banned libbie.
Now that is the post of a troll.
And continuous bashing of the president and every democrat without proving anything you say is what?
OldRegular
Well-Known Member
At least they are on topic, something you seem unable to do!