Is Putin the beast/antichrist?

[robycop3]

If I may ask, how do we know that the AC will be of Roman descent?

You are right in that we must pray for God's protection on the Ukraine and the Russian soldiers.

Because Daniel wrote that he will be a prince of the people who will destroy Jerusalem. (Future in Danny's time)

 

[Lodic]

Because Daniel wrote that he will be a prince of the people who will destroy Jerusalem. (Future in Danny's time)

That makes sense. I still think that prince was Titus, but I see where you are coming from. Thank you.

 

[robycop3]

That makes sense. I still think that prince was Titus, but I see where you are coming from. Thank you.

Nupe! That prince hasn't come yet. if he had, he'd either be ruling most of the world now, or Jesus would be here ruling after disposing of him.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

The man of sin/antichrist, will come from Rome/Europe. He is the leader of the final form of the final beast empire spoken of by Daniel. which will be defeated by Christ himself.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

The Reformed's Confession has decreed that that Antichrist is...the Pope of Rome!

"the Pope of Rome...is that Antichrist, that Man of Sin, and Son of Perdition...whom the Lord shall destroy with the brightness of his coming".

Its not the pope. the pope will resist the beast. and will himself need to be destroyed, If anything, the pople may be the false prophet. but I doubt it is even this.

 

[Lodic]

Nupe! That prince hasn't come yet. if he had, he'd either be ruling most of the world now, or Jesus would be here ruling after disposing of him.

That's just a point that we have been debating for several years. You have your reasons for your beliefs and I have my reasons for mine. For the point of this discussion, we agree that Putin is definitely not the Beast of Revelation.

 

[George Antonios]

The beast will be a Roman Ch

Other Readers, you may have seen on other boards or social media the rumor that Russian leader Vladimir Putin is the beast/antichrist, & his invasion of the Ukraine is the beginning of his empire-building. Let's put that hooey to rest now.

The governing factor is, of course, SCRIPTURE.

I have no idea what Putin's beliefs about God REALLY are, but supposedly he'a an Orthodox Christian who DOES attend church on high holidays & encourages the restoration of many churches destroyed when the Communists came to power. But SCRIPTURE says that the beast won't acknowledge any god but himself. Nowhere does Scripture say he will PRETEND to serve God. Yes, I know no devout Christian would do what Putin had done over the years, but does that make him the beast? Of course not.

Far as we know, Putin is not of Roman descent, as SCRIPTURE says the beast will be, but his ancestry is not known before the 1600s.

It appears the beast will be popular & charismatic, with many people admiring him & wanting to follow him. Even before the Ukraine invasion, Putin was not even admired that much in Russia. With the Soviet Union, he was a KGB member.

SCRIPTURE says he will begin his world domination by making an empire from the peoples & nations that made up the first 2 Roman empires. There's zero possibility of Putin's doing that, as any attempt by him to do it would result in WW3.

He has no false prophet for a sidekick, as SCRIPTURE says the beast will have. This FP can work certain miracles by Satan's power in his boss' presence.

No, Putin doesn't come CLOSE to fulfilling all the SCRIPTURAL criteria for the beast/antichrist.

The beast will be a Roman Catholic Jewish Assyrian Ethiopian.
Putin fails on almost all counts.

Not to mention that the 10 horns aren't even here yet.

 

[robycop3]

That's just a point that we have been debating for several years. You have your reasons for your beliefs and I have my reasons for mine. For the point of this discussion, we agree that Putin is definitely not the Beast of Revelation.

I agree; that's why I started this thread, as there's a rumor going around that Putin IS the beast. But Putin fails to meet most of the Scriptural criteria for the true beast. He was ELECTED; he didn't overthrow anyone to become PM & later Prez. The fairly-popular Boris Yeltsin supported him as his successor in 1999, & Putin took office 1/1/2000. But he won't win any popularity contest in Russia, let alone the rest of the world.

 

[robycop3]

The beast will be a Roman Ch


The beast will be a Roman Catholic Jewish Assyrian Ethiopian.
Putin fails on almost all counts.

Not to mention that the 10 horns aren't even here yet.

None of those peoples are princes of Rome.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I agree; that's why I started this thread, as there's a rumor going around that Putin IS the beast. But Putin fails to meet most of the Scriptural criteria for the true beast. He was ELECTED; he didn't overthrow anyone to become PM & later Prez. The fairly-popular Boris Yeltsin supported him as his successor in 1999, & Putin took office 1/1/2000. But he won't win any popularity contest in Russia, let alone the rest of the world.

I remember when gorbachev was so popular as being the antichrist. They even used the scar on his head as proof.

Its crazy what people will see..

 

[robycop3]

I remember when gorbachev was so popular as being the antichrist. They even used the scar on his head as proof.

Its crazy what people will see..

I believe the REAL antichrist will not be perceived as being him, plus, the rapture will occur shortly after he arises, removing discerning Christians who could warn about him.

 

[George Antonios]

None of those peoples are princes of Rome.

You don't have to be a Roman to be a prince of Rome, you just have to be Catholic.
You never heard of Roman Emperor Philip the Arab?
Philip the Arab

Also, don't forget that the antichrist faces European opposition:

Num 24:24 And ships shall come from the coast of Chittim, and shall afflict Asshur, and shall afflict Eber, and he also shall perish for ever.

Dan 11:30 For the ships of Chittim shall come against him: therefore he shall be grieved, and return, and have indignation against the holy covenant: so shall he do; he shall even return, and have intelligence with them that forsake the holy covenant.

 

[robycop3]

You don't have to be a Roman to be a prince of Rome, you just have to be Catholic.
You never heard of Roman Emperor Philip the Arab?
Philip the Arab

Also, don't forget that the antichrist faces European opposition:

Num 24:24 And ships shall come from the coast of Chittim, and shall afflict Asshur, and shall afflict Eber, and he also shall perish for ever.

Dan 11:30 For the ships of Chittim shall come against him: therefore he shall be grieved, and return, and have indignation against the holy covenant: so shall he do; he shall even return, and have intelligence with them that forsake the holy covenant.

"Chittim" is an ancient name for Cyprus & neighboring islands, "Asshur" was Assyria, & "Eber" was a land near Assyria. However,Scripture says no man can overcome the beast & his forces. While Putin has plenty of European opposition right now, I don't believe he will leave Russia unless all is peaceful. I don't believe he would feel safe outside Russia right now, nor WOULD he be.

I nelieve the Ukraine invasion is part of the prophesied "wars & rumors of war".

 

[5 point Gillinist]

Show me, from scripture that "the REAL antichrist/beast will be an extremely-popular & charismatic man, admired worldwide, with many people eager to follow him. The people will be like the girl in "Hotel California": "We are all just prisoners here, of our own device.""

PROVE that this is not your imagination making all this up.

I think it is in "the message."

 

[Reformed1689]

The spirit of antichrist reveals itself in many people. Putin, Trump, Biden, etc., they all represent the spirit of antichrist.

You don't believe that there are many antichrists but one Antichrist?

 

[Oseas3]

Other Readers, you may have seen on other boards or social media the rumor that Russian leader Vladimir Putin is the beast/antichrist, & his invasion of the Ukraine is the beginning of his empire-building. Let's put that hooey to rest now.

The governing factor is, of course, SCRIPTURE.

I have no idea what Putin's beliefs about God REALLY are, but supposedly he'a an Orthodox Christian who DOES attend church on high holidays & encourages the restoration of many churches destroyed when the Communists came to power. But SCRIPTURE says that the beast won't acknowledge any god but himself. Nowhere does Scripture say he will PRETEND to serve God. Yes, I know no devout Christian would do what Putin had done over the years, but does that make him the beast? Of course not.

Far as we know, Putin is not of Roman descent, as SCRIPTURE says the beast will be, but his ancestry is not known before the 1600s.

It appears the beast will be popular & charismatic, with many people admiring him & wanting to follow him. Even before the Ukraine invasion, Putin was not even admired that much in Russia. With the Soviet Union, he was a KGB member.

SCRIPTURE says he will begin his world domination by making an empire from the peoples & nations that made up the first 2 Roman empires. There's zero possibility of Putin's doing that, as any attempt by him to do it would result in WW3.

He has no false prophet for a sidekick, as SCRIPTURE says the beast will have. This FP can work certain miracles by Satan's power in his boss' presence.

No, Putin doesn't come CLOSE to fulfilling all the SCRIPTURAL criteria for the beast/antichrist.

GOD is in control of history, nothing random happens. JESUS, the Word made flesh - the Word is GOD - , His word is fulfilling LITERALLY , the war of Ukraine is the fulfillment of Mattew 24:v.6-8:
6 Ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the END is not yet.
7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.

...nation shall rise against nation? Once the Word of GOD says it is nation against nation, and kingdom against kingdom, understand it, there will not be any kind of "Federation" or for examples- Confederations - , and also united groups which there still are today as :
UN - United Nations Organization
NATO - North Atlantic Treaty Organization
OAS - Organization of American States
WTO - World Trade Organization
UNESCO - United Nations Organization for Education, Science and Culture
OECD - Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development.
BIRD - International Bank for Reconstruction and Development.
IMF - International Monetary Fund
WHO - World Health Organization
ILO - International Labor Organization,
G-7
G-20
among others.

ALL, but ALL, will be destroied, will be DISSOLVED, yeah, DISSOLVED, like a GIGANTIC IMPLOSION, by analogy, something like the INIMAGINABLE fall of the two TOWERS of the WTC-Word Trade Center, so the confusion or mess or total CHAOS is done, in other words, the hell's fire starts to burn, the eternal fire, yeah, forever and ever.

Luke 21:v.26-27
26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud(cloud? Psa.97:v.2) with power and great glory.

But there will be also WAR against three unclean spirits like frogs in this current time.

]The battle in the current time is against the red Dragon, a religious and satanic MONSTER of 7 heads, and 10 horns, and a terrible TAIL.

The satanic body of the red Dragon, in other words, the religious and satanic body of the red Dragon, his church, is guided and ruled by three unclean spirits like frogs.

See, the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east (eastern) might be prepared.

Revelation 16:v.13 to 16-

13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the MOUTH of the Dragon, and out of the MOUTH of the Beast (the Gentile MAN Beast of sea who has a name of blasphemy-Revelation 13:v.1- the main partner of the red Dragon), and out of the MOUTH of the false prophet. ---> (The false prophet and the red Dragon are the same character-Revelation 13:v.11. In a first moment, he will manifest himself as a lamb with two horns, a false lamb, of course, in fact an esoteric, and kabbalistic, and spiritist messiah, and as messiah he will be the main ruler of Israel, and as a master of Torah he will manifest himself as prophet and will be the main GUIDE of the esoteric, and kabbalistic, and spiritist Judaism).

14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great Day of God Almighty. - (The LORD's Day, the seventh and last Day, or seventh and last millennium. By the way, we are already in the beginning of the FIRST CENTURY of the seventh and last millennium-
Jewish Calendar - How to explain the difference of exactly 240 years in the Jewish calendar? |Pure Bible Forum (and see www.sinaiticus.net)

16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon. (the battle is spiritual-so it is in heavenly/celestial place(Ephesians 1:v.3-check it), that is in the Ar, so the battle is in the Ar - against mag(og) - the religious and satanic Beast of sea-Revelation 13:v.1-, and against eddon - Eddon means red - so against the red Dragon-Revelation 13:v.11-18)
THESE ARE THE THREE SPIRITS LIKE FROGS. WHY FROGS? THREE UNCLEAN SPIRITS LIKE FROGS - WHY FROGS? | Pure Bible Forum (and see www.sinaiticus.net)

15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.

 

[robycop3]

GOD is in control of history, nothing random happens. JESUS, the Word made flesh - the Word is GOD - , His word is fulfilling LITERALLY , the war of Ukraine is the fulfillment of Mattew 24:v.6-8:
6 Ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the END is not yet.
7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.

...nation shall rise against nation? Once the Word of GOD says it is nation against nation, and kingdom against kingdom, understand it, there will not be any kind of "Federation" or for examples- Confederations - , and also united groups which there still are today as :
UN - United Nations Organization
NATO - North Atlantic Treaty Organization
OAS - Organization of American States
WTO - World Trade Organization
UNESCO - United Nations Organization for Education, Science and Culture
OECD - Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development.
BIRD - International Bank for Reconstruction and Development.
IMF - International Monetary Fund
WHO - World Health Organization
ILO - International Labor Organization,
G-7
G-20
among others.

ALL, but ALL, will be destroied, will be DISSOLVED, yeah, DISSOLVED, like a GIGANTIC IMPLOSION, by analogy, something like the INIMAGINABLE fall of the two TOWERS of the WTC-Word Trade Center, so the confusion or mess or total CHAOS is done, in other words, the hell's fire starts to burn, the eternal fire, yeah, forever and ever.

Luke 21:v.26-27
26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud(cloud? Psa.97:v.2) with power and great glory.

But there will be also WAR against three unclean spirits like frogs in this current time.

]The battle in the current time is against the red Dragon, a religious and satanic MONSTER of 7 heads, and 10 horns, and a terrible TAIL.

The satanic body of the red Dragon, in other words, the religious and satanic body of the red Dragon, his church, is guided and ruled by three unclean spirits like frogs.

See, the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east (eastern) might be prepared.

Revelation 16:v.13 to 16-

13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the MOUTH of the Dragon, and out of the MOUTH of the Beast (the Gentile MAN Beast of sea who has a name of blasphemy-Revelation 13:v.1- the main partner of the red Dragon), and out of the MOUTH of the false prophet. ---> (The false prophet and the red Dragon are the same character-Revelation 13:v.11. In a first moment, he will manifest himself as a lamb with two horns, a false lamb, of course, in fact an esoteric, and kabbalistic, and spiritist messiah, and as messiah he will be the main ruler of Israel, and as a master of Torah he will manifest himself as prophet and will be the main GUIDE of the esoteric, and kabbalistic, and spiritist Judaism).

14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great Day of God Almighty. - (The LORD's Day, the seventh and last Day, or seventh and last millennium. By the way, we are already in the beginning of the FIRST CENTURY of the seventh and last millennium-
Jewish Calendar - How to explain the difference of exactly 240 years in the Jewish calendar? |Pure Bible Forum (and see www.sinaiticus.net)

16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon. (the battle is spiritual-so it is in heavenly/celestial place(Ephesians 1:v.3-check it), that is in the Ar, so the battle is in the Ar - against mag(og) - the religious and satanic Beast of sea-Revelation 13:v.1-, and against eddon - Eddon means red - so against the red Dragon-Revelation 13:v.11-18)
THESE ARE THE THREE SPIRITS LIKE FROGS. WHY FROGS? THREE UNCLEAN SPIRITS LIKE FROGS - WHY FROGS? | Pure Bible Forum (and see www.sinaiticus.net)

15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.

You have quite an imagination.

 

[Oseas3]

You have quite an imagination.

You are sleeping deeply, no surprise, it's mid-night. Wake up. Wake up, fast.

 

[kyredneck]

You have quite an imagination.

ROFL! Pot, meet kettle!

 

[robycop3]

ROFL! Pot, meet kettle!

Yep! He and you meet!