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Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by SavedByGrace, Nov 16, 2021.

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  1. 1689Dave

    1689Dave Well-Known Member

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    You are ignoring that salvation was only of the Jews. National repentance = missing God's wrath.
     
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    1689Dave Well-Known Member

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    I don't take orders from anyone I do not trust. You make your case and stop trying to control me.
     
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    SavedByGrace Well-Known Member

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    are you saying that the account in Jonah is wrong, and Jesus Christ wrong in what He says?

    There are people like Rahab, who was NOT a "Jew", and her family, were all SAVED and are in heaven!
     
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    SavedByGrace Well-Known Member

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    you are very strange! My "case" in response to Iconoclast is very clear in # 23, and yet you talk about "trust" and "control"? WHAT are you on about?
     
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    Rahab became a Jew. You are confusing national repentance with salvation.
     
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    If you have something to say to me. post it. Don't try to control me.
     
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    SavedByGrace Well-Known Member

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    and you know this how? Bible chapter and verse?
     
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    [/ quote] Perhaps you don't know your Bible. That was not a non response that was a direct quote from Scripture.
     
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    [/ quote] so you are the arbiter of justice when it comes to God's ways? Have you read Romans 9? Do you think any of us deserve to be saved? Do you think we deserve it? I have news for you. We don't deserve anything from God. Except one thing. We deserve eternal damnation in hell. The fact that God saves anybody that he chooses anybody is a miracle in of itself and Amazing Grace. How dare you question God! How dare you say that he was unjust because of the way He says he operates! Read Romans. Read the book of John the whole book of John, Not the verses you cherry pick. You are so caught up in your bunk theology your unbiblical, heretical theology that you are making yourself out to be the arbiter of justice. How dare you! I have news for you. You do not want God to be just because if God were fully just. If God were fully fair, you, me and everyone else on this board would be living eternity in the gates of hell.

    Who are you Oh man, to question God?
     
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    [/ quote] So how does one come under conviction before salvation?
     
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    Faith is entirely from God, by his grace alone.

    Hebrews 11:1:1-3
    Faith is the confidence that what we hope for will actually happen; it gives us assurance about things we cannot see. Through their faith, the people in days of old earned a good reputation. By faith we understand that the entire universe was formed at God’s command, that what we now see did not come from anything that can be seen.

    Hebrews 12:1-2
    Therefore, since we are surrounded by such a huge crowd of witnesses to the life of faith, let us strip off every weight that slows us down, especially the sin that so easily trips us up. And let us run with endurance the race God has set before us. We do this by keeping our eyes on Jesus, the champion who initiates and perfects our faith. Because of the joy awaiting him, he endured the cross, disregarding its shame. Now he is seated in the place of honor beside God’s throne.
    Galatians 5:22-23
    But the Holy Spirit produces this kind of fruit in our lives: love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control. There is no law against these things!
    Ephesians 2:8-9
    God saved you by his grace when you believed. And you can’t take credit for this; it is a gift from God. Salvation is not a reward for the good things we have done, so none of us can boast about it.
     
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    Daniel 4:34-35,37
    “After this time had passed, I, Nebuchadnezzar, looked up to heaven. My sanity returned, and I praised and worshiped the Most High and honored the one who lives forever. His rule is everlasting, and his kingdom is eternal. All the people of the earth are nothing compared to him. He does as he pleases among the angels of heaven and among the people of the earth. No one can stop him or say to him, ‘What do you mean by doing these things?’

    “Now I, Nebuchadnezzar, praise and glorify and honor the King of heaven. All his acts are just and true, and he is able to humble the proud.”
     
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    = sight belief, not faith. Jesus avoided people who believed on the basis of his miracles.
     
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    God commanded them to repent.If they do not it is on them.
    The door of the Ark was open for years and the people had no desire to enter.Its like that!
     
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    Au contraire. Paul said you would say God would be unfair to choose, and you said just that. That is your whole argument.
     
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    I question STUPID reformed theology!!!
     
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    still cannot answer the OP!
     
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    so, repentance to salvation is not a "gift" only for the elect?
     
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    No...accusing God proves nothing.
     
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