DHK, exactly as you say, Constantine was not a Christian, so he hadn't any influence on any Christian council. Constantine was an emperor and shrewd Politian only, not a cleric, and certainly not a Catholic participating in any Catholic Council. Stop trying to revise history, it can not be changed, no matter how much you would like to change it.
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Is the Catholic Church a cult ?
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:laugh: the "Dark Side" or the "slightly lighter side of dark"?
The historian Eusebius, who was there, says Constantine lead and got exactly the doctrine he wanted. "He convinced some with his arguments, and won round others by entreaty. When anyone spoke well, he applauded. Urging them to be of one mind, he eventually succeeded in bringing them to agreement on all the issues before them."
Charlemagne also entered into church affairs to make sure his desires were done.
*You say Baptists are trying to re write history. You ignore the overwhelming history that Constantine was in charge of the counsel as well as the Roman church.
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You are all missing the point....and that is that Catholism is a way of life ....one that attempts to regulate you to their "everchanging " operation of religion. It is tangable, legalistic and mystical--all at the same time. With that said....its roots are European which makes it totally un understandable to most Baptists.
That depends on which side you are looking at it from. He identified as a Protestant....must I say any more.
McCree, you wrote and quoted from " Eusebius " but you left out the following by Eusebius.
' 'You have thus by such an admonition bound together the plantings of Peter and Paul at Rome and Corinth." Dionysius of Corinth, Epistle to Pope Soter, fragment in Eusebius' Church History, II:25 (c. A.D. 178).
"As Peter had preached the Word publicly at Rome, and declared the Gospel by the Spirit, many who were present requested that Mark, who had followed him for a long time and remembered his sayings, should write them out." Clement of Alexandria, fragment in Eusebius Church History, VI:14,6 (A.D. 190)
"It is, therefore, recorded that Paul was beheaded in Rome itself, and that Peter likewise was crucified under Nero. This account of Peter and Paul is substantiated by the fact that their names are preserved in the cemeteries of that place even to the present day. It is confirmed likewise by Caius, a member of the Church, who arose under Zephyrinus, bishop of Rome. He, in a published disputation with Proclus, the leader of the Phrygian heresy, speaks as follows concerning the places where the sacred corpses of the aforesaid apostles are laid: 'But I can show the trophies of the apostles. For if you will go to the Vatican or to the Ostian way, you will find the trophies of those who laid the foundations of this church.'" Gaius, fragment in Eusebius' Church History, 2:25 (A.D. 198).
"Peter...coming to the city of Rome, by the mighty cooperation of that power which was lying in wait there..." Eusebius, Ecclesiastical History, II:14,5 (A.D. 325).
"This man [Simon Magus], after he had been cast out by the Apostles, came to Rome...Peter and Paul, a noble pair, chief rulers of the Church, arrived and set the error right...For Peter was there, who carrieth the keys of heaven..." Cyril of Jerusalem, Catechetical Lectures
' 'You have thus by such an admonition bound together the plantings of Peter and Paul at Rome and Corinth." Dionysius of Corinth, Epistle to Pope Soter, fragment in Eusebius' Church History, II:25 (c. A.D. 178).
"As Peter had preached the Word publicly at Rome, and declared the Gospel by the Spirit, many who were present requested that Mark, who had followed him for a long time and remembered his sayings, should write them out." Clement of Alexandria, fragment in Eusebius Church History, VI:14,6 (A.D. 190)
"It is, therefore, recorded that Paul was beheaded in Rome itself, and that Peter likewise was crucified under Nero. This account of Peter and Paul is substantiated by the fact that their names are preserved in the cemeteries of that place even to the present day. It is confirmed likewise by Caius, a member of the Church, who arose under Zephyrinus, bishop of Rome. He, in a published disputation with Proclus, the leader of the Phrygian heresy, speaks as follows concerning the places where the sacred corpses of the aforesaid apostles are laid: 'But I can show the trophies of the apostles. For if you will go to the Vatican or to the Ostian way, you will find the trophies of those who laid the foundations of this church.'" Gaius, fragment in Eusebius' Church History, 2:25 (A.D. 198).
"Peter...coming to the city of Rome, by the mighty cooperation of that power which was lying in wait there..." Eusebius, Ecclesiastical History, II:14,5 (A.D. 325).
"This man [Simon Magus], after he had been cast out by the Apostles, came to Rome...Peter and Paul, a noble pair, chief rulers of the Church, arrived and set the error right...For Peter was there, who carrieth the keys of heaven..." Cyril of Jerusalem, Catechetical Lectures
I see how this deals with your conviction that Peter was in Rome....but I don't see how it addresses McCree's comments. Are you saying that McCree is right but the same evidence proves Peter was in Rome?
Perhaps I'm misunderstanding.....it seems that the source you both quote indicates otherwise (in his quote, your acceptance of the source) indicates otherwise. What am I misreading? Or are you saying that the "he" in McCree's quote was not Constantine?
Eusebius wouldn't have been eye witness to any of that. Plus. That has nothing to do with Constantine's role in the counsel.
So all of the historian Eusebius's writings and accounts must be ignored. Which means Peter was never in Rome.
It is true that Constantine was not a Christian.
It is also true that the RCC is a cult and never has been Christian.
Thus the two (Constantine and Catholicism) are a fit for each other.
The real history can be read here:
http://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/cath/ch-state.htm
McCree, unless there is an authentic "Fairy Tale History of the Protestant Church" on your bookshelf, you must be joking.
It was Jesus Christ who founded the Catholic Church, shortly after he rose again from the dead.
Fifty days after Jesus rose again, and ten days after Jesus ascended to heaven, the Holy Spirit descended, and presided at the birth of the Church that has been known as Catholic, since at least 107 AD.
The Catholic Church had successfully endured several hundred years of brutal persecution, by the time Constantine came along.
Anyone who calls themselves Christian, who has the gall to attempt to denigrate the testimony of Jesus Christ, as well as that of the early martyrs, by denying the identify of the Catholic Church they died for, is either a liar, a fool, or both.
The Catholic Church converted Constantine, the Roman Emperor, for Christ.
The Catholic Church went on to convert the Roman empire, for Christ.
The Catholic Church converted most of the known world, for Christ.
It was definitely NOT the other way around.
And not a single Protestant had anything to do with it ... not even the Baptists ... some of whom falsely claim to have been "secretly" hiding out, while all this was happening.
It was Jesus Christ who founded the Catholic Church, shortly after he rose again from the dead.
Fifty days after Jesus rose again, and ten days after Jesus ascended to heaven, the Holy Spirit descended, and presided at the birth of the Church that has been known as Catholic, since at least 107 AD.
The Catholic Church had successfully endured several hundred years of brutal persecution, by the time Constantine came along.
Anyone who calls themselves Christian, who has the gall to attempt to denigrate the testimony of Jesus Christ, as well as that of the early martyrs, by denying the identify of the Catholic Church they died for, is either a liar, a fool, or both.
The Catholic Church converted Constantine, the Roman Emperor, for Christ.
The Catholic Church went on to convert the Roman empire, for Christ.
The Catholic Church converted most of the known world, for Christ.
It was definitely NOT the other way around.
And not a single Protestant had anything to do with it ... not even the Baptists ... some of whom falsely claim to have been "secretly" hiding out, while all this was happening.
I deny it. And I consider what you said a personal attack. You are showing your true colors over and over.
The RCC is a sham, a false church, and you are nothing but a shill. The RCC is the worst persecutor and murderer in all of the history of religion. It is built on lies. It is the mother of lies and a harlot, guilty of innocent blood. It brainwashes weak minds who are easily and willfully lead.
There are no popes in the NT or early Christianity. No Mariolatry. No forced celibacy. No monarchial bishops. No primacy of Peter. I could go on and on.
You have swallowed a lie and you follow it like a good sheeple.
A short kibbitz: "Father, forgive them; they know not what they do". Jesus as He was been crucified--the just for the unjust.
We must forgive before we can be forgiven--see the beatitudes.
Pray for the lost--they are everywhere.
Even so, come, Lord Jesus.
Bro. James
We must forgive before we can be forgiven--see the beatitudes.
Pray for the lost--they are everywhere.
Even so, come, Lord Jesus.
Bro. James
Your definition of church is flawed. The RCC definition is flawed. The bishops of the RCC are not the church. Constantine organized them, expanded them, lead them. Charlemagne expanded the numbers of the RCC than any Pope. You have embraced the religion of man that filled with pagan beliefs. A religion designed to control its members from birth to death. A religion that conquests for power and money. Multiple times the bishop of Rome has used deceit to secure his position. The also killed a massive amount of Christians to maintain their power. Charlemagne had Christians kill Christians for the Pope. The Crusades killed Christians for the Pope. The Inquisition had Christians killing and torturing and lying all to gain wealth promised by the Pope. The Pope has been caught 3 times rewriting history. You claim Baptists rewrite history, it is your deceitful Popes that have put pen to paper and lied. Infallible in matters of faith and morals.....lying, murdering and turning brother against brother. Doesn't sound infallible to me.
Jesus only left us ONE CHURCH, nowhere did Jesus say my churches, He only said singular "church". Rant and rave all you want, you sound just like protesters. Protesters of authority, protesters of God's Authoritative church. Jesus never introduced any Baptist, Methodist, Mormon, JWs etc. He only formed His One True Church on His Apostles, not your church inventors. Only his Apostles, and because Jesus not only wants those 1st century Christians but also all future mankind saved Jesus told his Apostles to go out and ordain successors. Your churches are founded on the whims of weak men who caved in to their God-giving freewill to do as they pleased, now ,as shortly after the Protestant rebellion, your man-made churches began to splinter, will continue to splinter ,and become weak and splinter into sawdust. Only His True Apostolic Church will be there to greet the Lord when he returns. Pray for the correct Holy Spirit, because that holy spirit you're receiving is very confused, he can't make up your mind or his mind to which of your non-Catholic churches is his.
It is you who gets his religion from man, not us. It has been proven by many examples and by many people why the RCC cannot be and is not the "one true church" established by Jesus. Scripture itself proves that fact. Your popes and hierarchs have changed scripture, added to scripture, and you know what Jesus says in revelation about those who do that. The RCC is the apostate Whore of Babylon, the harlot of harlots, an abomination.
Rebel, you just do not know the truth of early Christianity, if it wasn't for the popes committing his world-wide catholics to defend both the Holy Bible and Christianity from being annilated by Islam , you Rebel along with all of us would be bending over kissing mother earth while facing Mecca and reading their Koran instead of our Bibles.