Is the Christian Right willing to sell its Soul to the Republican Party?

[OldRegular]

You don't believe that the slaughter of unborn or just born children is immoral? You don't believe that denying medical care to the elderly is immoral?

Just answer the question "whoever"! Don't editorialize.

You are the one that is against providing medical care to those who currently don't have it.

That is a lie.

Their blood will be on YOUR hands not mine.

It is the radical leftists/democrats like you who want to ration care to the elderly and continue the slaughter of the unborn children.

For the 50th time I am against abortion.

You can say you are against the slaughter of the unborn but the fact is as long as you support the party that believes in unfettered abortion you are supporting abortion. JustChristian, Freedom, and BaptistBeliever also claimed that they opposed the slaughter of the unborn but they supported the rabid abortionist, Obama, who not only favored the slaughter of the unborn but the just born.

I also am against the Republican hypocrisy that talks about ending abortion and then does almost nothing about it.

That statement is comical. You are just a socialist democrat and hate anyone who attempts to stop the formation of the Socialist States of America to replace the USSR that Reagan whupped up on.

 

[Revmitchell]

I spent two years without any insurance for me or my family as a Bivo. We went to the E-room many times and were billed for it without fail. Never rejected and always were willing to make payment arrangements.

 

[HankD]

On page 50 of Renewing America's Promise DEMOCRATIC PLATFORM PARTY, 2008

Is the following statement:

Choice
The Democratic Party strongly and unequivocally supports Roe v. Wade and a woman’s right to choose a safe and legal abortion, regardless of ability to pay, and we oppose any and all efforts to weaken or undermine that right.

Found in the public domain at http://www.democrats.org/a/party/platform.html

This alone is why I will not now even consider voting for a Democrat unless he renounces his affiliation with the Democratic Party and expesses a pro-life position or until the Democratic Party BOTH removes their official support of abortion and expresses their public sorrow for their crime.

The same for any and all political parties and their respective official platforms.

But that's just me, an independent with some liberal and some conservative leanings.


HankD

 

[alatide]

I spent two years without any insurance for me or my family as a Bivo. We went to the E-room many times and were billed for it without fail. Never rejected and always were willing to make payment arrangements.

That's my understanding of how it works. An emergency room has to accept you but it's not "free" health care. They bill you for it and make payment arrangements. Many here are deluded about that.

 

[targus]

That's my understanding of how it works. An emergency room has to accept you but it's not "free" health care. They bill you for it and make payment arrangements. Many here are deluded about that.

Then stop saying that anyone is denied medical care.

What you want is FREE medical care.

What is your right to claim FREE medical care?

And why stop there?

What about the same right to free food...

Free housing...

Free clothing...

Free transportation...

Free cable TV....

Free trips to the Bahamas...

Free gas for your car...

Free wedding receptions for your kids...

Free college education...

Free haircuts...

As long as it's possible to have something for FREE why not ask for it all?

 

[Crabtownboy]

I wonder how many here have used an emergency room recently. At our local hospital the wait, if it is not a life threatening emergency, can be from 7 to 10 hours. The local hospital does run a free clinic. They say the clinic actually saves them money. Why? Because if they did not have a free clinic the patients of the clinic would be showing up at the emergency room making the wait even longer. The clinic is staffed primarily by volunteers. The doctors are volunteering their time as are nurses and also non-medical people. The non-medical people help with records, translators, etc.

We know that some people have died because of no medical insurance. They wait until it is an absolute emergency before coming to the clinic and there are times they have waited too long. If these people had insurance in all probability they would have received care prior to this, but there is no way of proving this since they are no longer with us.

If a country can spend a billion or more a week on killing people in other countries, we should be able to spend a billion a month on taking care of our own. The billion a week was totally unnecesary, but we became involved in a very foolish war.

ps, yes I do volunteer at the free clinic.

 

[targus]

I wonder how many here have used an emergency room recently. At our local hospital the wait, if it is not a life threatening emergency, can be from 7 to 10 hours. The local hospital does run a free clinic. They say the clinic actually saves them money. Why? Because if they did not have a free clinic the patients of the clinic would be showing up at the emergency room making the wait even longer. The clinic is staffed primarily by volunteers. The doctors are volunteering their time as are nurses and also non-medical people. The non-medical people help with records, translators, etc.

We know that some people have died because of no medical insurance. They wait until it is an absolute emergency before coming to the clinic and there are times they have waited too long. If these people had insurance in all probability they would have received care prior to this, but there is no way of proving this since they are no longer with us.

If a country can spend a billion or more a week on killing people in other countries, we should be able to spend a billion a month on taking care of our own. The billion a week was totally unnecesary, but we became involved in a very foolish war.

ps, yes I do volunteer at the free clinic.

Ok - so there is a FREE clinic where you are.

There are FREE clinics all over.

Then what is the problem?

Last Christmas I got sick while traveling and stopped in a walk in clinic in a small town up North. The clinic took no insurance - cash only. While I was there two different families came in with sick kids and said that they couldn't afford the $100 charge. The receptionist just said, "Ok, then just give us $10."

No one was denied care. The patients just paid what they could afford.

 

[Crabtownboy]

Ok - so there is a FREE clinic where you are.

There are FREE clinics all over.

Then what is the problem?

If you do not see the problem then either you have a very hard heart or you do not care that people do not receive good quick medical care.

I guess you did not read, or do not care about the people I mentioned who died because of no medical insurance and waiting until it was too late.

I do not understand how a Christian or a person who says they follow Christ can be in favor of spending billions on killing people and not be willing to spend money on helping those who are without medical insurance. I know of no place where Christ said it is right to kill others and ignore the sick and homeless.

 

[targus]

If you do not see the problem then either you have a very hard heart or you do not care that people do not receive good quick medical care.

I guess you did not read, or do not care about the people I mentioned who died because of no medical insurance and waiting until it was too late.

I do not understand how a Christian or a person who says they follow Christ can be in favor of spending billions on killing people and not be willing to spend money on helping those who are without medical insurance. I know of no place where Christ said it is right to kill others and ignore the sick and homeless.

My but you sure make a lot assumptions about those who do not think as you do.

I am in favor of helping those in need.

I am not in favor of providing the same help to those who are capable of paying for medical care but simply choose not to.

I am not in favor of providing the same help to those who are capable of working but choose not to.

I am not in favor of taking medical care choices away from others in the name of giving it to someone else who may or may not truly be in need.

I am in favor of a limited targeted solution to providing for the medical needs of those who are truly in need - without destroying our economy and our medical care system in the process.

BTW - How is the view from way up there - so high above the rest of us with your self judged moral superiority?

 

[Matt Black]

Then stop saying that anyone is denied medical care.

What you want is FREE medical care.

What is your right to claim FREE medical care?

Because, for those who cannot afford it, it is a necessary corollary to the right to life. I find it odd that some here - quite rightly - claim that right for the unborn and yet would seek to restrict it for some once they are born.

And why stop there?

What about the same right to free food...

Yes, for those who cannot afford it, for the same reason.

Free housing...

To a degree, same again.

Free clothing...

Ditto.

Free transportation...

Ditto, if necessary to receive the items referred to above

Free cable TV....

Nope; not a necessary adjunct to the right to life

Free trips to the Bahamas...

Ditto

Free gas for your car...

Ditto

Free wedding receptions for your kids...

Ditto

Free college education...

Possibly, if its lack is a bar to social mobility for those who cannot afford it

Free haircuts...

Nope; not an adjunct etc

For the record, I'm 100% in favour of the right to life. I believe that right begins at conception and only ends when one draws one's last natural breath, after all reasonable medical avenues have been explored to postpone that moment. For that reason, were I in the US, I could not bring myself to vote Democrat, much as I like some of their other policies, as long as pro-abortion and pro-euthanasia stances remain on their official platform. In the UK, it's much easier, since these issues are not party political but are always determined by a free vote; I'm often curious as to how and why they became party political in the US....(?)

 

[targus]

The problem, Matt, is that he is not talking about providing for those in need.

He is talking about free this and free that for everyone - more specifically for himself.

Paying taxes to provide medical care for those in true need is one thing - to pay taxes to provide medical care for alatide just because he is unhappy about the quality of his employer provided medical insurance is something else all together.

Alatide doesn't like his co-pay and his deductibles.

 

[Revmitchell]

Because, for those who cannot afford it, it is a necessary corollary to the right to life. I find it odd that some here - quite rightly - claim that right for the unborn and yet would seek to restrict it for some once they are born.

sigh...another liberal lie

 

[Matt Black]

I would be grateful if you would retract your accusation of lying. If I am mistaken in my view, then please show me where and how I am, but don't EVER accuse me of dishonesty.

 

[Revmitchell]

I would be grateful if you would retract your accusation of lying. If I am mistaken in my view, then please show me where and how I am, but don't EVER accuse me of dishonesty.

Where and how is obvious. Hence the dishonesty

 

[Matt Black]

Sir, I demand that you withdraw that libellous remark.

 

[Revmitchell]

Sir, I demand that you withdraw that libellous remark.

When you become honest enough to withdraw yours.

 

[Matt Black]

I will give you until 5pm British Summer Time to withdraw your libel and apologise, failing which I will take further action.

 

[Nonsequitur]

Which is more important, American politics or the furthering of the Kingdom of God? Gee..... let's take a poll on this.By closely allying with the Republican Party the Christian Right has done tremendous damage to Christ's Church.Please give specific examples that can be verified, other than your own mis-givings after your parents went out of town and you posted this trash after raiding the liquor cabinet. The Pharisees are in control of their churches( Uh....Pharisees are Jewish....you're on a Christian web-site.....hello?) and are spewing out political legalism to the unsaved. This completely turns off the lost just as Jesus himself was disgusted by the Pharisee's hypocrisyWhich, I'm just as sure that 'Jesus Himself(sic), would be disgusted by your blatant attempt to drive a wedge politically between believers. .

Get a life little girl. Get off your daddy's computer.

 

[Tom Bryant]

I will give you until 5pm British Summer Time to withdraw your libel and apologise, failing which I will take further action.

I have no dog in this fight, but what are you going to do? Sue? Start calling him a liar? This is really a serious question.

 

[matt wade]

Get a life little girl. Get off your daddy's computer.

I think you need to step back and take a break my friend. You are taking this way too seriously.