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Is the Christian Right willing to sell its Soul to the Republican Party?

Matt Black

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I have no dog in this fight, but what are you going to do? Sue? Start calling him a liar? This is really a serious question.
It is indeed a very serious question. I am a lawyer and I know what defamation of character is and the legal remedies available. I am however also mindful of I Cor 6. I haven't yet decided what to do and I would hope Revmitchell does the decent thing here.
 

Nonsequitur

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I think you need to step back and take a break my friend. You are taking this way too seriously.

If you have ever....EVER....read any of my posts then you should know that I don't take ANYTHING that I read on this web-site seriously. I've been in more low-life biker bars that have a better understanding of God than most of the tripe that I've seen posted here by liberals, wanna-be's and trolls than I ever could imagine a Christian web-site would post. If you're looking for the Truth my friend....just read the Bible. (B.asic I.nstructions B.efore L.eaving E.arth) It's all true.
(The above is not a jab at this web-site, and does not in any way constitute a slight to any trolls, living or not, imagined or real, living in, on, under, or near any bridges in this great United States.):tongue3:
 

matt wade

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If you have ever....EVER....read any of my posts then you should know that I don't take ANYTHING that I read on this web-site seriously.

alatide is a troll and he'll end up banned again. There are ways to respond to such a troll, but saying things like :

Please give specific examples that can be verified, other than your own mis-givings after your parents went out of town and you posted this trash after raiding the liquor cabinet.

and

Get a life little girl. Get off your daddy's computer.

make it look like you are the little girl raiding the liquor cabinet.
 

HankD

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I wonder how many here have used an emergency room recently. At our local hospital the wait, if it is not a life threatening emergency, can be from 7 to 10 hours. The local hospital does run a free clinic. They say the clinic actually saves them money. Why? Because if they did not have a free clinic the patients of the clinic would be showing up at the emergency room making the wait even longer. The clinic is staffed primarily by volunteers. The doctors are volunteering their time as are nurses and also non-medical people. The non-medical people help with records, translators, etc.

We know that some people have died because of no medical insurance. They wait until it is an absolute emergency before coming to the clinic and there are times they have waited too long. If these people had insurance in all probability they would have received care prior to this, but there is no way of proving this since they are no longer with us.

If a country can spend a billion or more a week on killing people in other countries, we should be able to spend a billion a month on taking care of our own. The billion a week was totally unnecesary, but we became involved in a very foolish war.

ps, yes I do volunteer at the free clinic.
Hi Crabtownboy, I am with you in your desire. I too see a lot of squander and waste in our government that could have been put to better use to benefit the poor and needy.

Christ fed the 5000 without having a questionaire as to whether they were Jew, Gentile Samaritan, rich, poor, worthy, unworthy, etc...

I have looked into and researched Obama's "CZAR" staff and their writings and then looked into and researched the 1036 page Heath Bill (it keeps getting shorter) and IMO it is in reality NOT a Health Bill but a Population Control and Eugenics Engineering Bill with many blanks to be filled in later by the CZARs.

I have posted the contents of these documents many times on the BB.

As to killing innocent people, yes the innocent die in war, that's a fact of life. Presumably we go to war to defend our nation our government and our remaining freedoms. That is the intent.

There have been occasions where the only way to protect ourselves is to totally demoralize the enemy in like kind by attacking his general population, e.g. the Berlin firestorms, Nagasaki, Hiroshima...

This morning I did not need to use a prayer rug to pray to my God.
I am thankful.

As we approach 9/11/2009 we will again remember that there are those who believe that to slaughter us (the infidels) brings eternal life.

Personally, I could live under any form of government because we are (or should be) pilgrims here on planet earth. When the time comes, if it comes, to obey God rather then men, then we will each have to decide.

In the meantime I believe this administration has sent up several smokescreens such as the accusation of denial of health care to all when in reality it is a doublethink tactic of deception.

It is evident to me that they themselves intend to apportion and ration health care (and who knows what else) on a sliding scale to those whom they evaluate as "worthy" (those who have received the heaviest social investment, have the optimum hope of Return On Investment (ROI) and the greatest potential of survival/longevity).

Brave New World (or a belated 1984) has come.


HankD
 
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Nonsequitur

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alatide is a troll and he'll end up banned again. There are ways to respond to such a troll, but saying things like :



and



make it look like you are the little girl raiding the liquor cabinet.

Here's an idea, whenever you see my name...skip over it. That way it won't upset you.:tongue3:
 

Revmitchell

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It is indeed a very serious question. I am a lawyer and I know what defamation of character is and the legal remedies available. I am however also mindful of I Cor 6. I haven't yet decided what to do and I would hope Revmitchell does the decent thing here.


What would be decent is for you to stop your intentional liberal misrepresentation of those who oppose government run health care.
 

targus

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Which is more important, American politics or the furthering of the Kingdom of God? By closely allying with the Republican Party the Christian Right has done tremendous damage to Christ's Church. The Pharisees are in control of their churches and are spewing out political legalism to the unsaved. This completely turns off the lost just as Jesus himself was disgusted by the Pharisee's hypocrisy.

Which is more important, American politics or the furthering of the Kingdom of God? By closely allying with the Democrat Party and their radical promotion of abortion the Christian Left has done tremendous damage to Christ's Church in that the secular world sees no difference between such a Christian and a pagan.

I take that back - I don't mean to slander pagans - not all pagans sanction the murder of their own unborn children as the Democrats do.
 

HankD

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To: matt black

I think your are over-reaching matt.

Personally, I think that the word "lie" or "liar" should be used sparingly in public.
But, you know, it's a way of life here in the US, we are a quarelsome people especially being Baptist.

In addition revmitchell seems to be expressing an opinion rather than making a direct accusation. I believe he is expressing an opinion that you are/were buying into what he (revmitchell) sees as a generic liberal "lie".

In the way that he put it, he need only give an example of a liberal (any liberal) deceiving the public with words (how hard can that be?) as he did not name you specifically as that liberal.

Here in the US one cannot be sued for slander or libel if either by word or implication one is proven to be expressing an opinion.
That is the Right of Freedom of Speech.

Beyond that, you could do the gracious thing yourself and forgive him unconditionally for what he said.

Or just ignore him.

HankD
 
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Winman

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Aren't we all liars?

I know I am, that's why I prayed and asked Jesus Christ to forgive my sins.
 

alatide

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I guessed you missed this....

Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act of 2003
Parental Notice of Abortion Act of 2005

What was the impact of these on the number of abortions performed in the United States? if I remember correctly it is about o.1%. That a change in the right direction but is actually less than the reduction that occurred in the Clinton administration due to sound economic policy and a strong economy as opposed to two severe recessions during the Bush administration. Who actually did more to reduce abortion? President Clinton.
 

Johnv

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I'm staunchly against elective abortion, but I'm somewhat concerned that a lot of people are single-issue politically. That's fine and dandy, but there seems to be a fair amout of judging others based on whether they lean towards a political affiliation that isn't anti-abortion. The "if you support that pro-choice candidate/position, then you're a [insert conclusion here]". In observation, that conclusion is usually neither accurate nor necessary.
 

alatide

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Are you sure you are an engineer? Not everybody can go to the hospital for free medical care. I cannot. Why? because I have a job and make too much income. I do not qualify for free care. But that's OK, I have a fairly good health plan through my employer. So again, it is not free, money is deducted out of my paycheck each week to pay for the plan. My employer also pays into this plan.

But if I was on welfare I could go down and get free health care right now. If my income was very low I might qualify for programs like Medicaid, and children can get free healthcare under a program called CHIP (Children's Health Insurance Program). There are many other local programs that are available also.

And I know people who get free health care. Just because you don't know someone like this doesn't mean they don't exist. There are millions of people, especially children of low income or single parent families who get free health care.

But even there, it's not really free. Doctor's get paid, medicine and supplies cost money. It has to come from somewhere. And it does. It comes out of your paycheck every week in the form of taxes.

Healthcare is never free, somebody always pays, and it is usually the average citizen with a job. The poor don't pay, and the rich don't need health insurance.

Are you sure you can read and understand English. I argued here that everyone can NOT get free health care.
 

targus

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What was the impact of these on the number of abortions performed in the United States? if I remember correctly it is about o.1%. That a change in the right direction but is actually less than the reduction that occurred in the Clinton administration due to sound economic policy and a strong economy as opposed to two severe recessions during the Bush administration. Who actually did more to reduce abortion? President Clinton.

I'm sorry - you lost me.

Clinton did what...?

Reduced abortion?

Huh?
 

Matt Black

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I was very offended by Revmitchell's unfounded allegation against me. However, I have decided to forgive him and would appreciate your prayers in making that a reality as far as my feelings go; I also hope you understand if I don't post further on this thread.
 

targus

New Member
Are you sure you can read and understand English. I argued here that everyone can NOT get free health care.

Yes, he understands that.

He was explaining to you that it is not necessary for everyone to have free health care because some of us work and either have obtained health insurance through our employer or have learned to live on a budget which allows us to purchase our own health insurance.

It seems that it is you who have a problem comprehending the written word.

Perhaps you should get off your free health care horse and start to work on improving your local public education system because somebody really dropped the ball.
 

Winman

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This was the question I was answering

I do have trouble understanding irrational statements. Maybe you can explain this to me. Is this the story that anybody can simply go to the hospital today and get free medical care? I'll bet you've never done this and don't know anyone who has. Am I right? I have had friends who struggled along without insurance and believe me it's not easy to stay alive.

Maybe alatide was being completely sarcastic here, who knows? But I was answering his question. No, not everybody can get free health care. You have to qualify for it. And most of us who work do not qualify because we make too much income.

But there are many millions in this country who do get free health care.
 
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