Is the King James Bible the Word of God?

[AVL1984]

If understand what you are asking me. 99.6% or so of copies of Luke's gospel have the words ", but by every word of God." FYI it is the Orthodox Churches copies where Luke's account matches Matthew's reading.

I gotcha, Thanks for the clarification. Whether it does or doesn't have it on the page in the verse, it's still notated in the footnotes. So, what's the problem? There is none, except in the stilted minds of "scholars," or so alleged. In both of my copies 1984, 1995, the NIV has a reference to Dt 8:3...Doesn't seem like a problem to me.

 

[Logos1560]

What I think you'll find, given enough time and discussion, is that there are precious few who post on this forum that actually believe that any translation in any language ( in print or out of it ) is the fully inerrant, inspired word of God that they can unwaveringly trust in.

Why would you seem to complain that many on this forum do not believe the non-scriptural claim that an English Bible translation is to be believed to be "the fully inerrant, inspired word of God"?

The Scriptures do not state nor teach that any post-NT Bible translation is given by inspiration of God or is fully inspired.
Do the Scriptures teach you to trust unwaveringly in words added by men such as the Church of England makers of the KJV?

 

[37818]

I gotcha, Thanks for the clarification. Whether it does or doesn't have it on the page in the verse, it's still notated in the footnotes. So, what's the problem? There is none, except in the stilted minds of "scholars," or so alleged. In both of my copies 1984, 1995, the NIV has a reference to Dt 8:3...Doesn't seem like a problem to me.

So your copies of the NIV has the words "but by every word of God" in Luke?

 

[AVL1984]

So your copies of the NIV has the words "but by every word of God" in Luke?

::Rolling Eyes:: No..it has a footnote to go to Deuteronomy..Comprehension in reading isn't your strong suit, is it?

 

[Guido]

::Rolling Eyes:: No..it has a footnote to go to Deuteronomy..Comprehension in reading isn't your strong suit, is it?

But how does one know, from their reading the modern Bibles, which is the right text?

 

[37818]

::Rolling Eyes:: No..it has a footnote to go to Deuteronomy..Comprehension in reading isn't your strong suit, is it?

Obviously you do not give any care of what Deuteronomy 8:3 says in light of information the original reading in Luke 4:4 may have been altered.

 

[AVL1984]

But how does one know, from their reading the modern Bibles, which is the right text?

And again, I reassert the question....who's to say they're both not?

 

[AVL1984]

Obviously you do not give any care of what Deuteronomy 8:3 says in light of information the original reading in Luke 4:4 may have been altered.

And, obviously you're trying to make both underlying text groups say exactly the same thing, which, of course, they never did. Dishonesty of you. How do we know it's "been altered?" Two different underlying texts...doesn't mean either one has been altered, yet, we know that ALL of the translations have been altered in one form or another. You're false judgment of me come back on your own head.

 

[percho]

and when He may come -- the Spirit of truth -- He will guide you to all the truth, for He will not speak from Himself, but as many things as He will hear He will speak, and the coming things He will tell you;

When you translate?

 

[percho]

Well, maybe if so ye be, indwelt.

 

[Alan Gross]

Some hold that the KJV is inspired, adhering to the doctrine of double inspiration, declaring the KJV the Word of God, whereas others hold this, that the preserved Word of God is found in one of the Greek manuscripts, or a collection of Greek manuscripts, declaring that no translation into English is perfect. And others hold that only the original biblical writings are the preserved Word of God.

What view do you hold, and what are the arguments in support of your view?

Psalm 138:2 (KJV)
I will praise thee with my whole heart:
before the gods will I sing praise unto thee.

2 I will worship toward thy holy temple,
and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy truth:
for thou hast magnified THY WORD ABOVE ALL THY NAME.

Psalms 138:1-2 (NIV, NASB., etc.) I will praise you, O Lord,
with all my heart; before the “gods” I will sing your praise.

2 I will bow down toward your holy temple
and will praise your name for your love and your faithfulness,
for you have exalted above all things your name AND your word.

I believe, by Faith, in The Preservation of The Inspiration.

I hold that the KJV is inspired.

Its Authority is as good as its Integrity, which is perfect.

Revelation 1:11 (KJV) Saying, I am Alpha and Omega,
the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book,
and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia;

"Doctrine of INSPIRATION of The ‘Words’ of The Bible:
"Verbal plenary inspiration means that every word found in the Bible is given to us by God (verbal)
and written down, thus that everything in the Bible is authoritative.

"The very “words” and thus the ‘wording’ in the Bible are inspired
- not the writers but ‘the words.’

"God told Moses “write THE WORDS” (Exo 17:14).

"The phrase “inspiration of God” is the Greek, “theopneusto,” meaning “the breath of God.”

"The “word of God” is derivative of God’s “Spirit.”

"The Greek word pneuma, is ‘air in motion,’ and is Biblically translated “spirit” or “breath.”
...

Psalm 119:89 For ever, O LORD, THY WORD IS SETTLED in heaven.

The Doctrine of PRESERVATION of God’s Written Words
has been abandoned; Preserved via Copies:

Deut 17:14-15, 18 When thou art come unto the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee…

15 Thou shalt in any wise set him king over thee, whom the LORD thy God shall choose:
one from among thy brethren shalt thou set king over thee…

18 and it shall be, when he sitteth upon the throne of his kingdom,
that he (the Scribe) shall WRITE HIM (the King)
A COPY OF THIS LAW (The Mosaic Law) IN A BOOK
out of that which is before the priests the Levites:

Isaiah 30:8 Now go, write it before them in a table, and NOTE IT IN A BOOK,
that it may be for the time to come for ever and ever:

Jeremiah 1:9 (KJV) Then the LORD put forth his hand, and touched my mouth.
And the LORD said unto me, Behold, I have put my words in thy mouth.

Jeremiah 30:2 (KJV) Thus speaketh the LORD God of Israel, saying,
Write thee all the words that I have spoken unto thee in a book.

Psalm 12:6-7 The WORDS OF THE LORD are pure words…
7 Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt PRESERVE THEM
from this generation for ever.

Psalm 119:89 For ever, O LORD, THY WORD IS SETTLED in heaven.

Psalm 119:160 Thy word is true from the beginning…

1 Peter 1:25 … THE WORD OF THE LORD ENDURETH FOR EVER.

Jesus later affirmed the copies, saying in Mark 12:10
And have ye not read this scripture;
The stone which the builders rejected is become the head of the corner:

Jesus said in Matthew 22:31
But as touching the resurrection of the dead,
have ye not READ that which was SPOKEN UNTO YOU BY GOD, saying,

Paul affirmed the copies: 2 Timothy 3:15
And that from a child thou hast known THE HOLY SCRIPTURES,
which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
...
IDENTIFICATION of the Written WORD of God for the English Speaking People Today:

Perversions of the Word exist today in the NIV, ESV, NASB, AMP, RSV, NKJV Bibles, etc.
It’s nothing new.

Jeremiah 23:36 (KJV) ...ye have PERVERTED THE WORDS OF THE LIVING GOD…

Mark 4:15 (KJV) SATAN COMETH … and TAKETH AWAY THE WORD… sown in their hearts.

Most pastors and Christians consider the Modern New Age Bible translations they use
as ‘harmless,’ but they are not.

There has been a concerted effort to corrupt the word of God.

Satan seeks a ‘universal Bible’ of his own,
as the basis for unifying all religions into a one-world religion,
under a one-world government led by the coming false messiah, the Anti-Christ,
possessed by Satan himself.

His (Satan's) Bibles diminish the pure Gospel of Christ,
His deity, His virgin birth,
and the redeeming power of His Shed Blood.

You might ask; how can you say that?

If you compare the modern translations carefully with the Authorized King James Bible, verse for verse, you will see that there is a concerted effort to diminish the place and distinctiveness of Jesus as “the Son of God,” and His blood shed that was “for the sins of the world.”

As you will see, many words and phrases are missing or altered,
while also whole verses are missing.
...
Even The New King James Bible Version has 100,000 changes from the KJV.

It omits “hell” 22 times, “blood” 23 times, “repent” 44 times, “heaven” 50 times,
“God” 51 times, “Lord” 66 times, and “devils,” “damnation,” and “JEHOVAH,” are completely omitted.

Most all modern translations (NIV, ESV, NASB, AMP, RSV, Living Bible, et al) have been similarly corrupted because they are most all translated from the very same “new” corrupted 1881 Greek text that was assembled by Westcott and Hort.

They made their ‘corrections’ that they thought better presented what the Scriptures ‘should say’ rather than what is ‘does say.’
...
1 Thess 2:13 "For this cause also thank we God without ceasing,
because, when ye received the word of God which
ye heard of us (Paul and his), ye received it not as the word of men,
but as it is in truth, THE WORD OF GOD,
which EFFECTUALLY WORKETH ALSO IN YOU THAT BELIEVE,"

...by Inspiration of The LIVING WORD of GOD, by The Holy Spirit.

more:
INSPIRATION & PRESERVATION of the Scriptures | Art Licursi

 

[AVL1984]

Psalm 138:2 (KJV)
I will praise thee with my whole heart:
before the gods will I sing praise unto thee.

2 I will worship toward thy holy temple,
and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy truth:
for thou hast magnified THY WORD ABOVE ALL THY NAME.

Psalms 138:1-2 (NIV, NASB., etc.) I will praise you, O Lord,
with all my heart; before the “gods” I will sing your praise.

2 I will bow down toward your holy temple
and will praise your name for your love and your faithfulness,
for you have exalted above all things your name AND your word.

I believe, by Faith, in The Preservation of The Inspiration.

I hold that the KJV is inspired.

Its Authority is as good as its Integrity, which is perfect.

Revelation 1:11 (KJV) Saying, I am Alpha and Omega,
the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book,
and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia;

"Doctrine of INSPIRATION of The ‘Words’ of The Bible:
"Verbal plenary inspiration means that every word found in the Bible is given to us by God (verbal)
and written down, thus that everything in the Bible is authoritative.

"The very “words” and thus the ‘wording’ in the Bible are inspired
- not the writers but ‘the words.’

"God told Moses “write THE WORDS” (Exo 17:14).

"The phrase “inspiration of God” is the Greek, “theopneusto,” meaning “the breath of God.”

"The “word of God” is derivative of God’s “Spirit.”

"The Greek word pneuma, is ‘air in motion,’ and is Biblically translated “spirit” or “breath.”
...

Psalm 119:89 For ever, O LORD, THY WORD IS SETTLED in heaven.

The Doctrine of PRESERVATION of God’s Written Words
has been abandoned; Preserved via Copies:

Deut 17:14-15, 18 When thou art come unto the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee…

15 Thou shalt in any wise set him king over thee, whom the LORD thy God shall choose:
one from among thy brethren shalt thou set king over thee…

18 and it shall be, when he sitteth upon the throne of his kingdom,
that he (the Scribe) shall WRITE HIM (the King)
A COPY OF THIS LAW (The Mosaic Law) IN A BOOK
out of that which is before the priests the Levites:

Isaiah 30:8 Now go, write it before them in a table, and NOTE IT IN A BOOK,
that it may be for the time to come for ever and ever:

Jeremiah 1:9 (KJV) Then the LORD put forth his hand, and touched my mouth.
And the LORD said unto me, Behold, I have put my words in thy mouth.

Jeremiah 30:2 (KJV) Thus speaketh the LORD God of Israel, saying,
Write thee all the words that I have spoken unto thee in a book.

Psalm 12:6-7 The WORDS OF THE LORD are pure words…
7 Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt PRESERVE THEM
from this generation for ever.

Psalm 119:89 For ever, O LORD, THY WORD IS SETTLED in heaven.

Psalm 119:160 Thy word is true from the beginning…

1 Peter 1:25 … THE WORD OF THE LORD ENDURETH FOR EVER.

Jesus later affirmed the copies, saying in Mark 12:10
And have ye not read this scripture;
The stone which the builders rejected is become the head of the corner:

Jesus said in Matthew 22:31
But as touching the resurrection of the dead,
have ye not READ that which was SPOKEN UNTO YOU BY GOD, saying,

Paul affirmed the copies: 2 Timothy 3:15
And that from a child thou hast known THE HOLY SCRIPTURES,
which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
...
IDENTIFICATION of the Written WORD of God for the English Speaking People Today:

Perversions of the Word exist today in the NIV, ESV, NASB, AMP, RSV, NKJV Bibles, etc.
It’s nothing new.

Jeremiah 23:36 (KJV) ...ye have PERVERTED THE WORDS OF THE LIVING GOD…

Mark 4:15 (KJV) SATAN COMETH … and TAKETH AWAY THE WORD… sown in their hearts.

Most pastors and Christians consider the Modern New Age Bible translations they use
as ‘harmless,’ but they are not.

There has been a concerted effort to corrupt the word of God.

Satan seeks a ‘universal Bible’ of his own,
as the basis for unifying all religions into a one-world religion,
under a one-world government led by the coming false messiah, the Anti-Christ,
possessed by Satan himself.

His (Satan's) Bibles diminish the pure Gospel of Christ,
His deity, His virgin birth,
and the redeeming power of His Shed Blood.

You might ask; how can you say that?

If you compare the modern translations carefully with the Authorized King James Bible, verse for verse, you will see that there is a concerted effort to diminish the place and distinctiveness of Jesus as “the Son of God,” and His blood shed that was “for the sins of the world.”

As you will see, many words and phrases are missing or altered,
while also whole verses are missing.
...
Even The New King James Bible Version has 100,000 changes from the KJV.

It omits “hell” 22 times, “blood” 23 times, “repent” 44 times, “heaven” 50 times,
“God” 51 times, “Lord” 66 times, and “devils,” “damnation,” and “JEHOVAH,” are completely omitted.

Most all modern translations (NIV, ESV, NASB, AMP, RSV, Living Bible, et al) have been similarly corrupted because they are most all translated from the very same “new” corrupted 1881 Greek text that was assembled by Westcott and Hort.

They made their ‘corrections’ that they thought better presented what the Scriptures ‘should say’ rather than what is ‘does say.’
...
1 Thess 2:13 "For this cause also thank we God without ceasing,
because, when ye received the word of God which
ye heard of us (Paul and his), ye received it not as the word of men,
but as it is in truth, THE WORD OF GOD,
which EFFECTUALLY WORKETH ALSO IN YOU THAT BELIEVE,"

...by Inspiration of The LIVING WORD of GOD, by The Holy Spirit.

more:
INSPIRATION & PRESERVATION of the Scriptures | Art Licursi

Another "cut-and-paste" diatribe by another "Only" person...Go figure.

 

[Guido]

Another "cut-and-paste" diatribe by another "Only" person...Go figure.

Not a single word of the argument did I hear you refute.

 

[Logos1560]

Even The New King James Bible Version has 100,000 changes from the KJV.

It omits “hell” 22 times, “blood” 23 times, “repent” 44 times, “heaven” 50 times,
“God” 51 times, “Lord” 66 times, and “devils,” “damnation,” and “JEHOVAH,” are completely omitted.

You are repeating unproven and false accusations against the NKJV (mostly incorrectly made by Gail Riplinger and which were soundly refuted by Dr. James D. Price in his publication The False Witness of G. A. Riplinger's Death Certificate for the New King James Version and in his book King James Onlyism). Your unproven accusations bear false witness against the NKJV translators.

For example, the supposed places where the NKJV omits "God" are places where the KJV added the name "God" where it was not in the Hebrew OT or in the Greek NT in renderings such as "God forbid" and "God save the king." If it was supposedly wrong for the NKJV not to have Jehovah seven or eight times, you would be also saying that the KJV is wrong for not using Jehovah over 5,000 other times where the Hebrew text has that same name for God.

No KJV-only source has ever listed and identified those supposed or imagined "100,000 changes", and no one has proven that claim to be true. I have personally compared much of the Geneva Bible, the KJV, and the NKJV, and I have found pages and pages of places where the NKJV varies a little from the KJV and where it is in agreement with the 1560 Geneva Bible, and Gail Riplinger has claimed that the Geneva Bible is "practically identical" to the KJV.

 

[Logos1560]

I believe, by Faith, in The Preservation of The Inspiration.

I hold that the KJV is inspired.

You can choose to believe by faith assertions that are not true and deceive yourself thereby. The Scriptures included as translated in the KJV do not teach that the KJV is inspired. You are adding to the Scriptures opinions and traditions of men that the Scriptures do not teach. Blind faith in opinions of men is not faith in what God said.

KJV-onlyism in effect abandons the Bible doctrine of preservation of the same original-language words given by inspiration of God to the prophets and apostles and in effect replaces it with a non-scriptural claim of preservation and inspiration for the KJV.

It is a proven fact that the KJV does not give an English rendering for every original-language word in its underlying texts and that the KJV adds thousands of words for which it had no original-language words of Scripture. Are you not contradicting scriptural truth if you claim that words added by men are inspired?

 

[Logos1560]

Not a single word of the argument did I hear you refute.

The KJV-only poster did not document and prove his unsupported accusations to be true.

Undocumented, unproven, and false claims were being copied from unreliable KJV-only sources. Those KJV-only accusations have been refuted before in well-documented books. Too many unproven, false accusations were piled into one post to be able to refute them briefly.

 

[robycop3]

Psalm 138:2 (KJV)
I will praise thee with my whole heart:
before the gods will I sing praise unto thee.

2 I will worship toward thy holy temple,
and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy truth:
for thou hast magnified THY WORD ABOVE ALL THY NAME.

Psalms 138:1-2 (NIV, NASB., etc.) I will praise you, O Lord,
with all my heart; before the “gods” I will sing your praise.

2 I will bow down toward your holy temple
and will praise your name for your love and your faithfulness,
for you have exalted above all things your name AND your word.

I believe, by Faith, in The Preservation of The Inspiration.

I hold that the KJV is inspired.

Its Authority is as good as its Integrity, which is perfect.

Revelation 1:11 (KJV) Saying, I am Alpha and Omega,
the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book,
and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia;

"Doctrine of INSPIRATION of The ‘Words’ of The Bible:
"Verbal plenary inspiration means that every word found in the Bible is given to us by God (verbal)
and written down, thus that everything in the Bible is authoritative.

"The very “words” and thus the ‘wording’ in the Bible are inspired
- not the writers but ‘the words.’

"God told Moses “write THE WORDS” (Exo 17:14).

"The phrase “inspiration of God” is the Greek, “theopneusto,” meaning “the breath of God.”

"The “word of God” is derivative of God’s “Spirit.”

"The Greek word pneuma, is ‘air in motion,’ and is Biblically translated “spirit” or “breath.”
...

Psalm 119:89 For ever, O LORD, THY WORD IS SETTLED in heaven.

The Doctrine of PRESERVATION of God’s Written Words
has been abandoned; Preserved via Copies:

Deut 17:14-15, 18 When thou art come unto the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee…

15 Thou shalt in any wise set him king over thee, whom the LORD thy God shall choose:
one from among thy brethren shalt thou set king over thee…

18 and it shall be, when he sitteth upon the throne of his kingdom,
that he (the Scribe) shall WRITE HIM (the King)
A COPY OF THIS LAW (The Mosaic Law) IN A BOOK
out of that which is before the priests the Levites:

Isaiah 30:8 Now go, write it before them in a table, and NOTE IT IN A BOOK,
that it may be for the time to come for ever and ever:

Jeremiah 1:9 (KJV) Then the LORD put forth his hand, and touched my mouth.
And the LORD said unto me, Behold, I have put my words in thy mouth.

Jeremiah 30:2 (KJV) Thus speaketh the LORD God of Israel, saying,
Write thee all the words that I have spoken unto thee in a book.

Psalm 12:6-7 The WORDS OF THE LORD are pure words…
7 Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt PRESERVE THEM
from this generation for ever.

Psalm 119:89 For ever, O LORD, THY WORD IS SETTLED in heaven.

Psalm 119:160 Thy word is true from the beginning…

1 Peter 1:25 … THE WORD OF THE LORD ENDURETH FOR EVER.

Jesus later affirmed the copies, saying in Mark 12:10
And have ye not read this scripture;
The stone which the builders rejected is become the head of the corner:

Jesus said in Matthew 22:31
But as touching the resurrection of the dead,
have ye not READ that which was SPOKEN UNTO YOU BY GOD, saying,

Paul affirmed the copies: 2 Timothy 3:15
And that from a child thou hast known THE HOLY SCRIPTURES,
which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
...
IDENTIFICATION of the Written WORD of God for the English Speaking People Today:

Perversions of the Word exist today in the NIV, ESV, NASB, AMP, RSV, NKJV Bibles, etc.
It’s nothing new.

Jeremiah 23:36 (KJV) ...ye have PERVERTED THE WORDS OF THE LIVING GOD…

Mark 4:15 (KJV) SATAN COMETH … and TAKETH AWAY THE WORD… sown in their hearts.

Most pastors and Christians consider the Modern New Age Bible translations they use
as ‘harmless,’ but they are not.

There has been a concerted effort to corrupt the word of God.

Satan seeks a ‘universal Bible’ of his own,
as the basis for unifying all religions into a one-world religion,
under a one-world government led by the coming false messiah, the Anti-Christ,
possessed by Satan himself.

His (Satan's) Bibles diminish the pure Gospel of Christ,
His deity, His virgin birth,
and the redeeming power of His Shed Blood.

You might ask; how can you say that?

If you compare the modern translations carefully with the Authorized King James Bible, verse for verse, you will see that there is a concerted effort to diminish the place and distinctiveness of Jesus as “the Son of God,” and His blood shed that was “for the sins of the world.”

As you will see, many words and phrases are missing or altered,
while also whole verses are missing.
...
Even The New King James Bible Version has 100,000 changes from the KJV.

It omits “hell” 22 times, “blood” 23 times, “repent” 44 times, “heaven” 50 times,
“God” 51 times, “Lord” 66 times, and “devils,” “damnation,” and “JEHOVAH,” are completely omitted.

Most all modern translations (NIV, ESV, NASB, AMP, RSV, Living Bible, et al) have been similarly corrupted because they are most all translated from the very same “new” corrupted 1881 Greek text that was assembled by Westcott and Hort.

They made their ‘corrections’ that they thought better presented what the Scriptures ‘should say’ rather than what is ‘does say.’
...
1 Thess 2:13 "For this cause also thank we God without ceasing,
because, when ye received the word of God which
ye heard of us (Paul and his), ye received it not as the word of men,
but as it is in truth, THE WORD OF GOD,
which EFFECTUALLY WORKETH ALSO IN YOU THAT BELIEVE,"

...by Inspiration of The LIVING WORD of GOD, by The Holy Spirit.

more:
INSPIRATION & PRESERVATION of the Scriptures | Art Licursi

The only perversion here is the KJVO myth, man-made & false, without one quark of SCRIPTURAL SUPPORT, even in the KJV itself.

 

[AVL1984]

Not a single word of the argument did I hear you refute.

No reason to refute...I don't try to refute things posted by someone other than the poster using his own original thoughts. Apparently, you're not capable of that.

 

[Marooncat79]

What doctrine or teaching is denied or attacked by not being KJV?

answer: none

again, we are much better off edifying by discussing Baptism, Tongues etc

 

[Alan Gross]

Not a single word of the argument did I hear you refute.

4 cliches in 11 words.