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Is the New American Standard Bible as "wooden" as some claim that it is?

Yeshua1

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Now you are a mind reader, telling me what my opinion is? Good grief.

But I agree that the NIV alters the text which sometimes changes the message to conform to the translators doctrine. The NIV, ESV and NLT all contain altered messages due to Calvinist bias.
I hate to bust your bubble, but ALL translations do that to some degree!
 

Jerome

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Even the ole Kjv translators did that, as they wanted to uphold their Anglican views in regards to water baptism
they should have just translated it as immersion, but that would go against infant baptism!

What in the world are you talking about?

Anglican baptism in 1611 was by immersion.

It was the Westminster Divines' Directory for Public Worship (1645) that dumped immersion, dropping the word dip and inserting the irregular sprinkle.

Put the blame where it belongs, an error they brought back from Geneva!
 
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Yeshua1

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What in the world are you talking about?

Anglican baptism in 1611 was by immersion.

It was the Westminster Divines' Directory for Public Worship (1645) that dumped immersion, dropping the word dip and inserting the irregular sprinkle.

Put the blame where it belongs, an error they brought back from Geneva!
Did not know that, still wished would have translated as immersion!
 

Van

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I guess this is one of the tricks of revised and new translations.
:mad:

I was referring to word additions that alter the message such as "rich in faith" being changed to "to be rich in faith" thus existent faith is removed as the basis of election. James 2:5
 

alexander284

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Now you are a mind reader, telling me what my opinion is? Good grief.

But I agree that the NIV alters the text which sometimes changes the message to conform to the translators doctrine. The NIV, ESV and NLT all contain altered messages due to Calvinist bias.

Does the NASB have a Calvinist bias?
 

McCree79

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What in the world are you talking about?

Anglican baptism in 1611 was by immersion.

It was the Westminster Divines' Directory for Public Worship (1645) that dumped immersion, dropping the word dip and inserting the irregular sprinkle.

Put the blame where it belongs, an error they brought back from Geneva!
In 1549 affusion (pouring) was an allowed practice on infants.

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Van

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I take it you're not a Calvinist?
I am a one point Calvinist (OSAS) and a two point Arminian (Christ died for all mankind, and God's election for salvation is based on faith.) I disagree with both on Total Spiritual Inability, I believe we start with limited spiritual ability (able to understand spiritual milk) but we can lose that ability through God's hardening or our practice of sin. Thus neither irresistible grace or prevenient grace is valid.
 

Yeshua1

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I am a one point Calvinist (OSAS) and a two point Arminian (Christ died for all mankind, and God's election for salvation is based on faith.) I disagree with both on Total Spiritual Inability, I believe we start with limited spiritual ability (able to understand spiritual milk) but we can lose that ability through God's hardening or our practice of sin. Thus neither irresistible grace or prevenient grace is valid.
You are holding to really bad theology !
 
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