is the SDA Church then a cult?

[utilyan]

Martin Luther was a Roman Catholic monk who after crawling up the stairs of St Perter's in Rome on his knees, suddenly recalling the scriptures, The just shall live by faith" and the penances could not safe him, renounced the false teachings of Rome announced that henceforth he would be known as an Evangelist, (someone who preaches the gospel) All baptists should be evangelists, as should all evengelicals.

Yes don't forget to preach Martin Luther's whole Gospel.

On the Jews and Their Lies

On the Jews and Their Lies - Wikipedia


Remember Martin Luther says its a sin if you do not murder Jews.
"[w]e are at fault in not slaying them"
Martin Luther and antisemitism - Wikipedia


We can see where Reformation got its Good Ol' nazi-like ideas like Calvinism.
sieg heil!


The best saint reformist could come up with is a nazi.

 

[Walpole]

This is an incorrect assumption. The Ecumenical Creeds recorded what the early church believed. If you agree you are not a cult. If you disagree you are a cult.

You are making my point! I doubt you agree with what the Church at Nicea proclaimed about itself. Here are a few:

- Declared Christ as the same substance (ὁμοούσιον, consubstantialem) of the Father - contra sola Scriptura (Ecthesis of the Council) - contrary to sola Scriptura
- Supported the discipline of celibacy and clerical continence (Canon 3)
- Instructed on preserving valid Apostolic succession by requiring three bishops present for the consecration of subsequent bishops (Canon 4)
- Declaring Rome as the authority to grant jurisdiction to other Churches (Canon 6)
- Ruled on ordaining men to the priesthood (Canons 9 & 10)
- Instructed on giving viaticum to the dying (Canon 13)
- Instructed regarding catechumens (Canon 14)
- Affirmed the ordained episcopate, priesthood and deaconate (Canon 18)
- Explicitly referred to the Eucharist as the literal “Body of Christ" (Canon 18)
- Explicitly referred to the priests and bishops as they who "offer" the Eucharistic sacrifice. (Canon 18)


No Protestant sect that I know of believes these canons. Hence it appears that most Protestants either do not know what it is they are professing, or they do not actually believe what it is they claim to profess.

 

[1689Dave]

You are making my point! I doubt you agree with what the Church at Nicea proclaimed about itself. Here are a few:

- Declared Christ as the same substance (ὁμοούσιον, consubstantialem) of the Father - contra sola Scriptura (Ecthesis of the Council) - contrary to sola Scriptura
- Supported the discipline of celibacy and clerical continence (Canon 3)
- Instructed on preserving valid Apostolic succession by requiring three bishops present for the consecration of subsequent bishops (Canon 4)
- Declaring Rome as the authority to grant jurisdiction to other Churches (Canon 6)
- Ruled on ordaining men to the priesthood (Canons 9 & 10)
- Instructed on giving viaticum to the dying (Canon 13)
- Instructed regarding catechumens (Canon 14)
- Affirmed the ordained episcopate, priesthood and deaconate (Canon 18)
- Explicitly referred to the Eucharist as the literal “Body of Christ" (Canon 18)
- Explicitly referred to the priests and bishops as they who "offer" the Eucharistic sacrifice. (Canon 18)


No Protestant sect that I know of believes these canons. Hence it appears that most Protestants either do not know what it is they are professing, or they do not actually believe what it is they claim to profess.

They taught the truth and to reject it makes you a cultist.

 

[utilyan]

This is an incorrect assumption. The Ecumenical Creeds recorded what the early church believed. If you agree you are not a cult. If you disagree you are a cult.

Sounds like the world CULT is getting mixed with HERETIC.



Cult doesn't even have to be a religion its when you get strong-armed into a system.


The church points out a person is required to follow their good conscience even when it goes against the church. As long as its good not an evil act, or violence. actual GOOD.

If your good conscience requires you to leave you are encourage to follow it. Catholics cannot favor catholics over non-catholics, everyone is equal. If your in family and non-catholic, we are not instructed to hate you, shun you, or kick you out of the family.

Cults will literally command folks to shun the person and if they don't they will share in being shunned.


SDA do employ TERRORISM the same you find even from some denominations here. They use TERRORISM if you are not with us then you are on SATAN's loser side. But if you want to be a winner you must be on my theology and side.

If you worship on sunday.......well then obviously you are a Satan worshipper.

They open up their eyes in ghost story mode, The pope is the devil. His title says 666. Imagine you are hearing this as a child. You are part of the remnant underdogs. the last group of actual GOOD PEOPLE. everyone else serves the devil.

In the JW's they will tell you ALL organizations are SATANIC. Your government, your school, They frown on education and the idea of someone going to college or university is deeply frowned on. Cause of course once you actually learn history, meeting other people, getting thier point of view rather than a vilifying misrepresentation. You start being tolerant of others.

Its always in the interest of evil to keep you as uneducated and stupid as possible. To stay away from history, its part of the Iron Curtain. Or like its said in this thread "IGNORANCE IS BLISS" Lets keep you stupid make sure you don't study up on anything taught.

 

[rockytopva]

Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind, - Colossians 2:18

 

[Walpole]

They taught the truth and to reject it makes you a cultist.

So you believe the Fathers at Nicea taught the truth? Thus you accept their teachings, which include...

- The discipline of celibacy and clerical continence (Canon 3)
- Preserving valid Apostolic succession by requiring three bishops present for the consecration of subsequent bishops (Canon 4)
- Declaring Rome as the authority to grant jurisdiction to other Churches (Canon 6)
- Ordaining men to the priesthood (Canons 9 & 10)
- Giving viaticum to the dying (Canon 13)
- Having catechumens (Canon 14)
- Affirming the ordained episcopate, priesthood and deaconate (Canon 18)
- Referring to the Eucharist as the literal “Body of Christ" (Canon 18)
- Referring to the priests and bishops as they who "offer" the Eucharistic sacrifice. (Canon 18)


These things are incompatible with Protestantism.

 

[1689Dave]

So you believe the Fathers at Nicea taught the truth? Thus you accept their teachings, which include...

- The discipline of celibacy and clerical continence (Canon 3)
- Preserving valid Apostolic succession by requiring three bishops present for the consecration of subsequent bishops (Canon 4)
- Declaring Rome as the authority to grant jurisdiction to other Churches (Canon 6)
- Ordaining men to the priesthood (Canons 9 & 10)
- Giving viaticum to the dying (Canon 13)
- Having catechumens (Canon 14)
- Affirming the ordained episcopate, priesthood and deaconate (Canon 18)
- Referring to the Eucharist as the literal “Body of Christ" (Canon 18)
- Referring to the priests and bishops as they who "offer" the Eucharistic sacrifice. (Canon 18)


These things are incompatible with Protestantism.

The Ecumenical Creeds define Christianity. To reject them places you outside of the Church.

 

[Walpole]

The Ecumenical Creeds define Christianity. To reject them places you outside of the Church.

Obviously you haven't bothered reading my posts.

---> Why would you adopt the Creed of religion you reject?

---> By this logic, do you also use Mormon or Islamic creeds or statements of faith?

 

[1689Dave]

Obviously you haven't bothered reading my posts.

---> Why would you adopt the Creed of religion you reject?

---> By this logic, do you also use Mormon or Islamic creeds or statements of faith?

You do not grasp them or their importance. Obviously.

 

[Walpole]

You do not grasp them or their importance. Obviously.

Clearly you are not reading my posts. Let's try again...

---> If you truly believe the Creed is important, why do you reject the very Church that not only gave it to you, but also includes itself as an article of faith which the Creed professes?


It appears you either do not know what it is you are professing with the Creed, or you do not actually believe it.

 

[David Kent]

Remember Martin Luther says its a sin if you do not murder Jews.
"[w]e are at fault in not slaying them"
Martin Luther and antisemitism - Wikipedia
We can see where Reformation got its Good Ol' nazi-like ideas like Calvinism.
sieg heil!

The best saint reformist could come up with is a nazi.

That is rich seeing that Mussolini was a Catholic, Hitler was a Catholic and he murdered millions of Jews,Goebles was a jesuit, Himler and Goering were Catholics, Most of the South American dictators were Catholics, The wartime leaders of Croatia as well as The clergy were Catholics, and they attempted to wipe out the Ortodox religion in the Country, by trying to force the Serbs to convert to Catholicism. Their aim was to Convert a third, exile a third and killl a third.

 

[Revmitchell]

That is rich seeing that Mussolini was a Catholic, Hitler was a Catholic and he murdered millions of Jews,Goebles was a jesuit, Himler and Goering were Catholics, Most of the South American dictators were Catholics, The wartime leaders of Croatia as well as The clergy were Catholics, and they attempted to wipe out the Ortodox religion in the Country, by trying to force the Serbs to convert to Catholicism. Their aim was to Convert a third, exile a third and killl a third.

Not to mention the abuse the Navajo Indians in our country went through at the hands of the Catholic Church.

 

[Garrett20]

Brothers,

I think if this thread proves anything, it shows us our desperate need of a Savior apart from any fallible man. This includes the pope, Martin Luther, John Calvin, etc. Scripture is clear, “The heart is deceitful above all things and desperately wicked; who can know it?” (Jeremiah 17.9 NKJV)

“For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus” (1 Timothy 2.5 NKJV)

We can only look to the Infallible One. Men, creeds, and councils (while they can be important) are not perfect. May God forgive us our shortcomings.

 

[Adonia]

Not to mention the abuse the Navajo Indians in our country went through at the hands of the Catholic Church.

Oh good grief, you have to bring the Navajo's into this too? Meanwhile every Baptist missionary were nothing but saints every minute of every day, right? Yes, pure as the wind driven snow they were, not a sinner among them, always on the up and up. Yeah, right.

 

[David Kent]

Not to mention the abuse the Navajo Indians in our country went through at the hands of the Catholic Church.

And Columbus who massacred many natives as did the Spanish.

 

[David Kent]

Then here was the Catholic dictator Ngô Đình Diệm . Remember him.he was the man the USA foolishly backed which led to the Vietnamese war.

 

[Revmitchell]

And Columbus who massacred many natives as did the Spanish.

No he didnt

 

[David Kent]

No he didnt

Well there are different accounts.

"After he failed to contact the emperor of China, the traders of India, or the merchants of Japan, Columbus decided to pay for his voyage in the one important commodity he had found in ample supply -- human lives. He seized 1,200 Taino Indians from the island of Hispaniola, crammed as many onto his ships as would fit, and sent them to Spain, where they were paraded naked through the streets of Seville and sold as slaves in 1495. Columbus tore children from their parents, husbands from wives. On board Columbus' slave ships, hundreds died; the sailors tossed the Indian bodies into the Atlantic.

Because Columbus captured more Indian slaves than he could transport to Spain in his small ships, he put them to work in mines and plantations which he, his family, and followers created throughout the Caribbean. His marauding band hunted Indians for sport and profit -- beating, raping, torturing, killing, and then using the Indian bodies as food for their hunting dogs. Within four years of Columbus' arrival on Hispaniola, his men had killed or exported one-third of the original Indian population of 300,000.

This was the great cultural encounter initiated by Christopher Columbus. This is the event celebrated each year on Columbus Day. The United States honors only two men with federal holidays bearing their names. In January we commemorate the birth of Martin Luther King, Jr., who struggled to lift the blinders of racial prejudice and to cut the remaining bonds of slavery in America. In October, we honor Christopher Columbus, who opened the Atlantic slave trade and launched one of the greatest waves of genocide known in history."
Examining the Reputation of Christopher Columbus

 

[Yeshua1]

IMO there are saved people in cults.

They get saved and then being babes they are seduced and kidnapped by the demonic ones.

why Jesus allows this i dont know but He does.

I agree with you that the Lord has saved among even the Cults, but they need to leave and get into a real church teaching real bible!

 

[Yeshua1]

Anyone could look at your sect and see a cult as well, which in essence is nothing but another Christian sect started by one man in what, the 16th century? So a bit of advice, don't think you are so high and mighty in the realm of Christian belief.

Actually, my teaching goes back to time of Jesus and Apostles, as what they taught was Baptist like in doctrines and practices, not like pagan RCC!