Is there any true fundamentalist on this board

What about CCM? It's all about standards. The hymns we sing by Fanny Crosby in her time were considered radical. Indy Fundy churches are hanging on for dear life to be steadfast and unchanging. I personally don't have a probem with some of the CCM out there. There are however many (artists'?) that are nothing more than heavy metal wanna bees'. I don't believe that hard rock should be in the church or listened to by our youth. It just mimics the world!

Remember that we are a peculiar people. The world should come to us for refreshment. If they want a coke, shouldn't we offer something a little different than a generic cola? Wouldn't their question be: What have you got that I need? Music in the House of God needs to be edifying to God. It is there for us to make a joyful sound and to honor God. Music is not there for us. It is a gift that we need to use to glorify Him.

That being said, if standard hymns' are the norm in your church so be it. They have been a safe haven for many a good church. That is the standard they want and if we have a problem we should move on. I do believe that the tide is changing. We need to understand that there is good God honoring CCM that has a place in the Church. I think we have to look at the artists' testamony and not just accept it at face value. The devil is always trying to get in. If we are careful CCM can be a blessing. But we all know that the devil will use music to hurt a church if the leadership is not careful. It's all in church polity.

 

I believe in the Five Fundamentals. I don't adhere to the myriad of 'additions' to these that have accumulated over the past 100-odd years, as they are not Scripturally warranted but the (usually well-meaning) opinions of men.

So, yes, I consider myself a true fundamentalist. KJVO-ists and others who sponsor the 'additions' referred to above I do not consider to be true fundamentalists since they add on extra-Scriptural doctrines

Yours in Christ

Matt

 

As for CCM...Has anyone listened to some of the music of the 16th-17th century, played as exactly as possible, on as exact a duplicate instrumentation to the original as possible? If you have, doesn't its style closely match that of many of the old hymns?

The KJV mentions the sackbut(an early trombone), cornet, and dulcimer, instruments which didn't exist in Scriptural times. The translators apparently wanted to name instruments familiar to the readers.

"Sackbut" is NOT an accurate translation of the Hebrew "sabbaka", which was a stringed instrument.

"Dulcimer" was familiar to 17th C. England while"cuwmpownyah" was not. It's still uncertain what this Hebrew word really meant. They knew what a psaltery was, but not a "nebel", which also means a jar or container.

If God didn't want us to play modern instruments, He wouldn't have allowed them to have been invented. As a knife, TV, or these computers can be used for both good and evil, so can music and the things associated with it.

 

I think the word fundamental should be replaced with "legalistic" here. Being a fundamentalist means you adhere to the Fundamentals of the faith.

People can call me what they like. If I'm not a fundamentalist because I listen to CCM, then that's someone else's opinion. There are always going to be people that hate something that someone else does even when its something as simple as listening to CCM. Oh well, over time I've just learned to understand its just someone putting "thus saith the Lord" behind their opinion on what music we should listen to.

 

I think that adhering to fundamentalisim is right and good. However if you think that anything goes as far as music is concerned, then you are wrong. People can come up with instruments that arent in the bible and say that all CCM is good all they want. It doesn't make it so. Music in the bible is to be God honoring. Alot of CCM mimics worldly music. Hard rock, heavy metal etc. Why would God accept music that has the same style associated with it as the drug culture. Most of that music teaches our youth to rebel from authority etc. It doesn't have to be specifically in the bible to know this is wrong. The bible teaches that we will know the truth. People that hold that position are looking to justify their brand of music. If you are going to truly wear the fundamental badge, read your bibles and pray for discernment!

 

But, if you will study history, you will see that many of our beloved "sacred hymns" of today were once considered worldly and of the devil too. It has always been that one generation refused to accept what the next generation likes. We are certainly not the first to have this kind of discussion about music and if the Lord tarries, we will not be the last to have this discussion.

 

Music has nothing whatsover to do with fundamentalism.

And what a "true" fundamentalist is? Well, that is only able to be discussed with yourself, not with anyone else, or there won't be agreement. And I probably would have to be in a rather generous mood to even agree with myself on most issues.

 

The problem I have with much of it isn't that it is different but that it is very sensual. It exudes an almost sexual sense of passion.

At the same time, I think much of southern gospel music appeals to the flesh as well.

 

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And yes I have seen thr fruits of CCM - thousands of youth dedicated to Christ.
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Where does God command his people to conform to the world, it's ways, how it looks, how it acts? NOwhere. In fact, God has said the OPPOSITE. Come out of her my people, and BE YE SEPARATE saith the Lord, and TOUCH NOT THE UNCLEAN THING, and I will recieve you. Research the roots of this music, and you will see, it is VERY UNCLEAN. It does not come from God, but from Satan. Do not also forget this:


Matt. 7

12. Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.
13. Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
14. Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
15. Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
16. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

17. Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
21. Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23. And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.


Luke 13

23. Then said one unto him, Lord, are there few that be saved? And he said unto them,
24. Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.
25. When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are:
26. Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets.
27. But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity.


Love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

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If God didn't want us to play modern instruments, He wouldn't have allowed them to have been invented. As a knife, TV, or these computers can be used for both good and evil, so can music and the things associated with it.
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If this is true, then why then did God create the tree of knowledge of good and evil?


love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

Amen!!! Soulman. I whole-heartedly agree.


love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

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When I was pastoring I saw grandkids who started coming to church because of the service we started. We had two very distinct services. One was the traditional hymns and the other mostly CCM. The youth group doubled in size while the church more than doubled. Interestingly it was many of the older generation who were not sure but began coming to the service with the young people. Parents of those young people started coming.
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Of course they are, because those of the world, are attracted to the things of the world. THe churches today are looking, acting and condoning much of the ways of the world, and most likely true conversions are not happening because of this. WE are commanded to be separate. Those who are in the Lord are naturally different and separate from the world, and do not need to bring the world into the church, in order to bring the unsaved into the church. People are saved, and come into the church by the conviction of God by hearing or reading the words of God - the gospel. Not through the ways of the world. WE confuse the world and the true gospel and the truth of God when we try to use the worlds ways and methods to bring the lost to the Lord. Jesus said this:


Matt. 5

13. Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men.
14. Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.
15. Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house.
16. Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.


and....


12. Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him.
13. Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:
14. But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
15. Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.
16. Do not err, my beloved brethren.
17. Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.
18. Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.
19. Wherefore, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath:
20. For the wrath of man worketh not the righteousness of God.
21. Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls.
22. But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.
23. For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass:
24. For he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was.
25. But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.
26. If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion is vain.
27. Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.


2 Peter 2

10. But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government. Presumptuous are they, selfwilled, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities.
11. Whereas angels, which are greater in power and might, bring not railing accusation against them before the Lord.
12. But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption;
13. And shall receive the reward of unrighteousness, as they that count it pleasure to riot in the day time. Spots they are and blemishes, sporting themselves with their own deceivings while they feast with you;
14. Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:
15. Which have forsaken the right way, and are gone astray, following the way of Balaam the son of Bosor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness;
16. But was rebuked for his iniquity: the dumb ass speaking with man's voice forbad the madness of the prophet.
17. These are wells without water, clouds that are carried with a tempest; to whom the mist of darkness is reserved for ever.
18. For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error.
19. While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.
20. For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
21. For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
22. But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, the dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.


Romans 12

1. I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.
2. And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

1 Cor. 8

7. Howbeit there is not in every man that knowledge: for some with conscience of the idol unto this hour eat it as a thing offered unto an idol; and their conscience being weak is defiled.
8. But meat commendeth us not to God: for neither, if we eat, are we the better; neither, if we eat not, are we the worse.
9. But take heed lest by any means this liberty of yours become a stumblingblock to them that are weak.
10. For if any man see thee which hast knowledge sit at meat in the idol's temple, shall not the conscience of him which is weak be emboldened to eat those things which are offered to idols;
11. And through thy knowledge shall the weak brother perish, for whom Christ died?
12. But when ye sin so against the brethren, and wound their weak conscience, ye sin against Christ.
13. Wherefore, if meat make my brother to offend, I will eat no flesh while the world standeth, lest I make my brother to offend.

1 Cor. 10

17. For we being many are one bread, and one body: for we are all partakers of that one bread.
18. Behold Israel after the flesh: are not they which eat of the sacrifices partakers of the altar?
19. What say I then? that the idol is any thing, or that which is offered in sacrifice to idols is any thing?
20. But I say, that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to devils, and not to God: and I would not that ye should have fellowship with devils.
21. Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of devils: ye cannot be partakers of the Lord's table, and of the table of devils.
22. Do we provoke the Lord to jealousy? are we stronger than he?
23. All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but all things edify not.
24. Let no man seek his own, but every man another's wealth.


2 Cor. 5

9. Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him.
10. For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.
11. Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.
12. For we commend not ourselves again unto you, but give you occasion to glory on our behalf, that ye may have somewhat to answer them which glory in appearance, and not in heart.
13. For whether we be beside ourselves, it is to God: or whether we be sober, it is for your cause.
14. For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead:
15. And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.
16. Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.
17. Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
18. And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;
19. To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
20. Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.
21. For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.


2 Cor. 6

7. By the word of truth, by the power of God, by the armour of righteousness on the right hand and on the left,
8. By honour and dishonour, by evil report and good report: as deceivers, and yet true;
9. As unknown, and yet well known; as dying, and, behold, we live; as chastened, and not killed;
10. As sorrowful, yet alway rejoicing; as poor, yet making many rich; as having nothing, and yet possessing all things.
11. O ye Corinthians, our mouth is open unto you, our heart is enlarged.
12. Ye are not straitened in us, but ye are straitened in your own bowels.
13. Now for a recompence in the same, (I speak as unto my children,) be ye also enlarged.
14. Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?
15. And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?
16. And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
17. Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you.
18. And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.


There are many more.


love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle


Love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

Whoa! A grain of truth among all of the other!

This is the truth, Michelle. People come to Christ through the message of the gospel, period. The whole smokescreen of CCM being so "worldly" is just that, smoke. Not a single of your cut-and-paste verses mentions musical styles, so what is your point?

Oh, is it that CCM sounds too much like the world? Go back about 50 years, and guess what? your precious hymns were the CCM of the day. Their hymns then? Go back another 50 years, and, oh-my-gosh, we find CCM once more!

Your whole arguement is nothing more that pharisaic legalism. You have decided that CCM is of the devil, and you, being so spiritual and close to God and all, choose to look down your nose and condemn anyone who might even consider thinking that CCM could actually be pleasing to God.

I feel so sorry for you...

In Christ,
Trotter

 

Michelle:

I hope you are up to the task. As you read the following I would like you to criticize the worldliness of what was done. Now I would like you to carefully show me how I brought the world into the church.

How about if I told you that we started a full on discipleship mentoring program with the youth and adults. Not one youth or new Christian who was growing ever gave me any trouble. In fact while the old dead wood who had been there for years never winning anybody to Christ were those giving me trouble. They loved their hymns while they were content to let the world go to hell. Some of the dead wood deacons would tell me not to call on them to pray at a service. Not one of the dead wood deacons ever won anybody to Christ during that time while the youth were standing strong at school and sharing Christ with their friends. It was the new believers who were sharing their faith and leading people to Christ. It was the dead wood service with their hymns who were content to sing the hymns but never lead anyone to Christ. They could belt out the hymns on Sunday and pray during the week never sharing their faith during the week. It was the people in the contemporary service that were sharing their faith and leading people to Christ. I challenged some of those deacons and people from the first service to go visiting with me but they always had an excuse. They quite often had a golf game or some other excuse. So I finally pinned some of them down ands the fact was they were uncomfortable and that was the job of the pastor.

How worldly is it that I only met with 20 people each week from the contemporary service to disciple them and lead two Bible studies. How worldly is it that I got up each morning about 5:00 AM to study and then in the afternoon visit people and went to bed about 10:00 each evening.

During the time I was there I preached through the books of James, 1&2 Peter, Jude, Nahum and Matthew.

Now you prove to me how the people being won to Christ and sharing their faith was worldly.

Now you tell me how it is worldly when I stood up to preach one Sunday and how I asked the people from each service to start visiting with me and how it was the people from the second service who helped while the hymn singers did nothing but make excuses. Now tel me how it s worldly when I stood up to the pulpit that I announced I would be starting a discipleship group to help people grow. Tell me how it is worldly how we saw all kinds of people show up. We saw nonbelievers. I saw a former stripper. A current bar player who was not a believer. Also some farmers and other people from all walks of life. One was an inventor. Tell me how worldly it is that the former bar player is now a believer and leading people to Christ. He is the music minister leading a team of men and women in a church to share their faith and disciple others.

Tell me how it so worldly that we started two other churches with the help of the people in the contemporary service while the church had been there for 60 years and had never started one other church.

Tell me how it was so worldly how with those new believers who worked regular jobs could find time to get things done at the church. Tell me how some of the hymn singers told me when it came time to put a roof on the church that we would be lucky to get four people to help when it was there were exactly forty, most of them being from the contemporary service. Two of the men who told me I would lucky to get anybody just left when they saw how many were there.

Why is that during the time I was there I consistently baptized and more people were coming to Christ then they had ever seen in the history of the church. How is it so worldly that the giving came way up and we had money to do thing the church had never done before.

During that same time tell me how worldly it is that an eleven year old kid started a local Bible study with his friends. His parents were in the Bible study I was leading. How worldly is it that their oldest daughter is now at a Christian college studying to be a teacher. How is it that that same couple's marriage that once was in trouble is now healed and they are doing well. How is it that the men and women in the Bible study I led started ministry of visiting the elderly and cleaning their homes and visiting the sick in the hospital.
How worldly is it when I detected that something was going on ion the church that was causing some serious trouble and when I stood up to preach I announced that Satan had come into our midst. How worldly was the preaching when I preached on gossip one Sunday morning and the gossiper came at me after church yelling at me.

How worldly is it when one of the deacons stood up and pointed his finger at me asking me. "what are you trying to do stir up trouble in out little town." I said, "Yes." How worldly was it when I started a team to begin knocking ion every door in the community. How worldly is it when I knocked on doors regularly? How worldly is it when there were more than 20 percent of the people in Sunday school were baptized each year? How worldly is it when we gave 23 percent of the receipts to missions each year? How worldly is it that the people who were growing prayed for non-believers by name for their salvation. How worldly is it that I could count on a group of growing men that I could call on anytime day or night to accompany me if I needed someone to go with me anywhere. How worldly is it that the people were in bondage and would not share their faith in a community of a lot of Mormons and would regularly invite the Mormon bishop to come a preach at some of the events but it was the new believers who took a stance? How worldly is it that a young believer wrote a letter to the deacons and signed his name telling them about how they needed to get busy and do ministry and inviting the Mormon bishop was wrong?

How worldly is it that the hymn singers would not invite people to church but it was the people in the contemporary service who were growing and leading people to Christ? How worldly is it that the contemporary service was growing with older people who wanted to grow and the hymns singers had actually declined because some of the older folks who wanted to grow joined the contemporary service.

I might add that during that time I was asked to preach the annual sermon in the association. Earlier I was also asked to be the camp pastor for a bunch of youth among 700 churches at a summer camp for a week. During that time an older man came up to me and told me he had never seen so many kids come forward so serious about wanting to follow God. Now tell me how worldly it was about how I spoke to them on the death, burial and resurrection of Christ straight from the Bible. Then the final sermon was on running the race to win from 1 Cor. Now tell me how worldly my preaching was and how worldly those new believers were.

I have mentioned about the people who were coming to the contemporary service now I would like your criticism of the worldliness in what you read?

 

I agree. Not all CCM is good. Some is absolutely great and some is trash. Not all hymns are good either. In fact some are not biblically accurate at all.

 

Although this was at the very first page of the thread, I have to say that this just about perfectly summerizes the entire situation.


It is obvious that there are things we should not be doing. Murder is one of those. But when it comes to having a "drum" with the music, or a beautiful contemporary song such as "As the Deer" or a Bible written in OUR language instead of Jacobean English.

These are not the things causing problems in our churches nor are they symptoms of problems. This is nothing more than change that MUST occur as language and society changes.

There is no compromise to translate a Bible in modern English.

I might mention that SOME of the music, I wouldn't necessarily agree with due to how heavy it is, but most contemporary worship services that I have been to are very careful with their music selection.

In the 1700s some church members went ballistic when people proposed actually SINGING (OH gasp) inside a church building.

In the 1800s some church members went ballistic when a musical instrument (piano or air-organ) were added to help the sound.

Now we see orchestral instruments being added including drums and people are going ballistic.

We have a baby killed about every 20 seconds in the United States of America; all legal and allowed by law. We're worried about whether or not the NIV misses a few verses about snake handling (that were not in the oldest manuscripts anywy) and America has become as corrupt as Soddom and Gommorrah put together, even though NO doctrine is changed nor has it been shown that ANY scripture is violated (even in the KJV) by any of these things.

Watch your television for 2 hours and tell me that the problem is the type of music the church is playing or the fact that Christians want a translation that their children can understand. These are not the issues. The issues are the falling away from God. All we need is more confusion from our own people trying to confuse non-Christians or young-Christians with unscriptural man-made doctrine.

I could go on and on, but anybody with two brain cells and a Bible can tell what I am talking about simply by reading this thread.

Good call Charles and EXCELLENT summary of the problem!

 

Surprisingly, Trotter, if you read the history of many hymns, you will find that like our own National Anthem the music itself often came from "common English pub songs".

Many hymns of the 1800s and early 1900's were written by the lyrics ONLY and added to secular
tunes, many of which would make a who's who of English Pub songs.

Just how far do we want to take all of this ridiculous legalism? If it is scriptural, fine, but that is not the case here.

I am also getting a little fed up of long chapters of scripture that talk about evil people with the insinuation that those on this board that don't believe like certain others do, that the scripture applies to them. ...talk about JUDGING people based on their own "measuring-stick".

Let me be REAL CLEAR. I am NOT condoning unscriptural actions, but I am REALLY getting tired of people making their own LAWS with no scriptural backing and trying to FORCE their non-scriptural beliefs on other Christians.

There is a BIG difference in quoting scripture to prove a point and quoting scripture to insinuate that a person who does not have the same non-scriptural belief is who the Bible is referring to when it is quoted simply to show the evil among mankind, rather than to show a doctrine.

It IS sad, Trotter.

 

I agree. Not all CCM is good. Some is absolutely great and some is trash. Not all hymns are good either. In fact some are not biblically accurate at all. </font>[/QUOTE]GB, We have a small Low Power FM Christian station here in town of which I help with. You are absolutely right. There is a LOT of good CCM and a lot of bad CCM. We simply don't play the bad stuff--there is plenty good to still play hours and hours without repetition. The bad CD's simply go into the trash. Its easy.

 

This is the first Baptist site I have ever come across where music standards are not considered important in a fundamental circle.

"Just what IS wrong with it? Answer: It's different! That's it!"

That is your defense? It is wrong (not all) because it does not honor God and appeals to the flesh!

Michelle is right when she quotes: "Where does God command his people to conform to the world, it's ways, how it looks, how it acts? NOwhere. In fact, God has said the OPPOSITE. Come out of her my people, and BE YE SEPARATE saith the Lord, and TOUCH NOT THE UNCLEAN THING, and I will recieve you."

As I said before, The hymns we sing by Fanny Crosby in her time were considered radical. But they were not blasphemous nor did they resemble anything that was. The lyrics were full of sound doctrine that brought the cross into rememberance. It makes us humble to ponder what has been done for us. With some exceptions CCM appeals to the flesh and has a seductive effect. WOW!! JUST LIKE WORLDLY MUSIC!

I think this site has been infiltrated with a liberal branch of fundamentalisim. I have been a fundamentalist all my life and networked with hundreds of people and message boards. The folks posting on this thread are a different breed. On other threads they would not be considered anything other than compromisers. When Churches get into trouble , you can always spot it. The music standards are the first to go. CCM is entertainment, not edification.

 

Hymns used for years cause seductive (actually it is more accurate to say hypnotic) effects. If you do not believe me, watch a good service started with "How Great Thou Art" and ended with "I have Decided To Follow Jesus".

My point: I am not saying there is ANYTHING wrong with these songs, but just the emotional effect of the music is just as powerful as some of the effect caused by new music.

I have seen older people go into practical hypnotic trances with many of the old hymns just like some do with beautiful CCM. Music does have this effect on people and if it is wrong, then the church needs to get rid of ALL music, because "I have Decided to Follow Jesus" has just as much effect on me as many CCM music does on other people.

Oops, might as well throw out Psalms now. And David even danced during worship -- in the BIBLE!!!!!

Sure there is a big MIS-USE of music, this is because of greed by profit hungry record companies, but this has gone back to the day music licensing began.

How can you say ALL CCM is entertainment, not edification. I challenge you that "I Have Decided to Follow Jesus" at a 1970's youth camp was JUST as seductive as "As the Deer"--which is an EXCELLENT example of GOOD CCM.

I have seen some of the most worshipful services using nothing but good (not rock, rap, heavy, etc.) contemporary music.

Back when I was younger, I would listen to Christian Radio Stations and wonder why Christian music being played was such poor quality. When record companies realized that there was money to be made, the quality shot up. So did the amount of bad music.

HOWEVER, a decent music director can choose and pick music that is edifying. Just because it isn't old does NOT make it bad. The same with Bible translations.

We have a Contemporary Low Power FM radio station that covers town and we play all ADULT contemporary music (no rap, metal, heavy rock, etc.). People of ALL AGES LOVE IT. No matter how fundamental they are.

In today's world, the Christian has to be selective in their choices, but hasn't this been the truth since Christ walked the Earth 2000 years ago?

People who like to classify music (the record companies are causing this themselves). But, the point is, who is going to draw the lines?


I'm guessing that someone will suggest the KJV of Hymnals (Baptist Hymnal of 1968 (no later) or maybe Heavenly Highways?). I can hear it now, it blessed churches for 100 years, it has to be inspired.

I guess we just need to put Soulmn and Michelle on a committee to pick the music and Bibles for churches today to keep them scripturally correct.