Thanks for proving my point.
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Thanks for proving my point.
1689Dave
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You are welcome. You are more a member of Israel than any who rejected Christ and call themselves Israel.
1689Dave
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“That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.” (Romans 9:8) (KJV 1900)
But while you mention it, the Palestinians possibly have more of Abraham's DNA that the Jews in Israel. Most of those if not all, come from eastern european converts to Judaism in the 11th century.
There you go again.
You do not have Jewish DNA so you are not Abraham's physical seed.
Abraham was the father of the Arabs but they do not have Jewish DNA either.
1689Dave
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Paul says the DNA Jews are not Abraham's seed. The seed is spiritual, namely Christ and us who believe in him. You are more Israel than ANY in the State of Israel, unless they believe in Christ.
But the land was promised to the physical seed. You do not have Jewish DNA. Therefore you are not entitled to the land, which you already know.
Next we will be seeing anti semitism which such posts always lead to.
If that's the case then Palestinians own Israel, not only by DNA, but by the fact that they never left the land to begin with. You're getting nowhere with this DNA stuff. You should just forget about DNA.
9 I know thy tribulation, and thy poverty (but thou art rich), and the blasphemy of them that say they are Jews, and they art not, but are a synagogue of Satan. Rev 2
9 Behold, I give of the synagogue of Satan, of them that say they are Jews, and they are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee. Rev 3
Theoretically, DNA can established who is descended from Abraham and Sarah and who is not. The Arabs do not claim to be Jews, but they want to murder all Jews. So Christians do not have Jewish DNA unless they were converted with Jewish DNA. So God's promise to the seed DNA are true.
prophecy70
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Reading through the comments I was waiting for this accusal. SMH...
prophecy70
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Have you ever looked up the history of the creation of the Modern State of Israel? Im thinking you have not.
'Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same [and no others] are the children of Abraham' (Galatians 3:7).
That is why our Lord said to the Pharisees, who presumably had perfect Jewish DNA, "If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham........Ye are of your father the devil" (John 8:39, 44).
The only problem is that the conversation is about actual physical children to whom the land was given in an everlasting covenant.
prophecy70
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I do not think Modern Israel is biblical, while I don't reject the creation of it, (I believe God ordains all nations).
What?
What?
You are condemning a whole people with that broad brush accusation.
God says they are:
Genesis 17:8
King James Version (KJV)
8 And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.
And Paul makes it clear God has not forgotten His Promises to physical Israel:
Romans 11
King James Version (KJV)
1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel saying,
3 Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.
4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.
5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
If you read Chapters 9 and 10 you will see that in view is National Israel:
Romans 9
King James Version (KJV)
1 I say the truth in Christ, I lie not, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Ghost,
2 That I have great heaviness and continual sorrow in my heart.
3 For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh:
4 Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;
5 Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.
Romans 10
King James Version (KJV)
1 Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved.
He's not talking about "spiritual Israel." He is speaking about National Israel.
And National Israel will one day be saved:
Romans 11:25-27
King James Version (KJV)
25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
"All Israel" will be saved because all who are unbelieving will be destroyed in the Tribulation and the Sheep and Goat Judgment.
God bless.
1689Dave
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Where in the NT does he say this?
“It is not as though the word of God had failed. For not all those who are descended from Israel are truly Israel,” (Romans 9:6) (NET)
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