Israel

[RLBosley]

Israel tells them what they are going to bomb prior to them bombing it......the targets are essentually Hamas terrorists homes. Why anyone would choose to be around a targeted bomb target is beyond me.....unless they want to commit suicide

That is far from a fool proof plan, though certainly better than nothing. Also we do not know that they always get the message, nor do we know for certain that the civilians can get away. Many I am sure are held there against their will. So should they just go ahead and bomb them? There are better ways.

 

[carpro]

I am curious. What would you consider an appropriate defense?

Maybe he'd like for the Obama administration to negotiate a cease fire. :smilewinkgrin:

 

[RLBosley]

Maybe he'd like for the Obama administration to negotiate a cease fire. :smilewinkgrin:

:smilewinkgrin:

A cease fire, even negotiated by an idiot, is preferable to bombing civilians (Speaking about both sides of course). :wavey:

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

That is far from a fool proof plan, though certainly better than nothing. Also we do not know that they always get the message, nor do we know for certain that the civilians can get away. Many I am sure are held there against their will. So should they just go ahead and bomb them? There are better ways.

Who is holding them there against their will and what is your alternative way?

 

[RLBosley]

Who is holding them there against their will and what is your alternative way?

The terrorists of course.... Human shields, I think that was brought up earlier.

Special forces could be used, for example.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

The terrorists of course.... Human shields, I think that was brought up earlier.

Special forces could be used, for example.

Thats their own people and who are the special forces troupe that you are referring to?

 

[Revmitchell]

Israel has been living with this closer and longer than anyone on this board. Yet there are armchair quarterbacks who think they know it better. The epitome of arrogance.

 

[RLBosley]

Thats their own people and who are the special forces troupe that you are referring to?

What do you mean "That's their own people"? Surely you aren't suggesting that all the people in Gaza are in Hamas?

IDF special forces not ours.

 

[padredurand]

What do you mean "That's their own people"? Surely you aren't suggesting that all the people in Gaza are in Hamas?

IDF special forces not ours.

You're for non-violence yet you would advocate the use of IDF? Are you aware that a person killed by a 9mm bullet is as dead as someone killed by an explosion?

 

[RLBosley]

You're for non-violence yet you would advocate the use of IDF? Are you aware that a person killed by a 9mm bullet is as dead as someone killed by an explosion?

I have said before that I hate war and violence. And yes I am for nonviolence for Christians. Israel, as a nation, has the right to bear the sword in accordance with Romans 13. Christians should not take part though. Sorry for any confusion there.

And yes I am aware of that, I am not a moron.

 

[Revmitchell]

You're for non-violence yet you would advocate the use of IDF? Are you aware that a person killed by a 9mm bullet is as dead as someone killed by an explosion?

I am glad I did not have any coffee in my mouth when I read that. It would have been all over the screen. :laugh:

 

[Bro. Curtis]

And I think we have. Collectively the American church is far too blood thirsty and ignores the clear instruction of scripture to seek and promote peace. Do you disagree?

I don't answer questions that have already been answered for me.

OK. It's still wrong. Being a peacemaker is not killing all your enemies. The same Jesus also said "love you enemies" and "do good to those who hate you."

So, your back to no response at all, now ? Israel should just stay being bombed ? Do you let robbers into your house ?

OK. I still don't get it. No one, especially me, brought that up. I never accused you of it or anything. You were the first and only person I've seen bring up prophecy.

You can stay twisted about that, if you want to. I've moved on.

No worries, all is forgiven.

I still say God doesn't want push-overs.

 

[Judith]

What is it with calling people "liberal?" I really don't understand. Especially since I'm probably among the most theologically conservative people on this board, far from liberal at the very least, same with politics. I guess by liberal you just meant "Someone I disagree with." Regardless, I twisted nothing. Lobbing nuclear weapons at someone who hit you with rockets certainly is vengeance. I would also argue that self-defense can be understood as a form of vengeance as well. Also, you never answered my questions.



So they shouldn't target civilians... unless they get in the way, then eh no big deal? Am I reading that correctly? What evidence do you have that there are "very few" in that area that are not supporting Hamas? And certain people in Israel have made it plain that they intend on the total annihilation of Palestinians. Tell me you at least think that is wrong!?



That is not applicable here. This Israel is not that Israel. That Covenant is no longer in existence. War was permitted and even required a couple times under the Old Covenant, we are under the New and do not have that option.

Claiming to be conservitive does not ake you conservitive. Your belifs are liberal. Like I said every liberal I have even et has to twist what the other person says to hold any kind of argument. Lastly you dodged my question which is a standard liberal tactic when confronted.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

I have said before that I hate war and violence. And yes I am for nonviolence for Christians. Israel, as a nation, has the right to bear the sword in accordance with Romans 13. Christians should not take part though. Sorry for any confusion there.

And yes I am aware of that, I am not a moron.

So, Israel should defend herself, but we shouldn't encourage it ?

 

[RLBosley]

I don't answer questions that have already been answered for me.

So you disagree.

So, your back to no response at all, now ? Israel should just stay being bombed ? Do you let robbers into your house ?

Stop twisting what I have said. I have been clear from the beginning, what is permitted for a nation is different than what is permitted for a individual Christian. Stop conflating the two.

You can stay twisted about that, if you want to. I've moved on.

You really are too much. I honestly don't get it. No one but you brought up prophecy.

I still say God doesn't want push-overs.

Pacifism doesn't equal passivism.

So, Israel should defend herself, but we shouldn't encourage it ?

Christians shouldn't encourage it, no.

 

[RLBosley]

Claiming to be conservitive does not ake you conservitive. Your belifs are liberal. Like I said every liberal I have even et has to twist what the other person says to hold any kind of argument. Lastly you dodged my question which is a standard liberal tactic when confronted.

My beliefs are conservative. Just because you, absurdly, think that not wanting to bomb civilians is "liberal" doesn't make it so. I encourage you to stop the name calling and actually discuss the topic. I answered your questions. If I missed one please point it out to me, but I assure you I dodged nothing. Also, you still have not answered any of mine. Who is dodging questions again? :BangHead:

 

[just-want-peace]

RLBosley: "Are you actually wanting an answer or are you just ranting? It looks like an emotional rant to me. Let's start a new thread if you want to talk, since that would be well beyond the bounds of this thread's OP. OK?"

If you read my post, you will note that I asked a very specific question, which is directly related to the topic!!!!

Emotional rant?? Darn tooten it was, cause I do get a little piqued when reading some of the nonsense posted about Israel vs Palestinians/Hamas/Muslims etc, etc.

The left seems to think EVERY country in the world should defend themselves EXCEPT Israel. Israel is just supposed to try to stop the suicide bombers and that's it. As long as rockets come from outside Israel, the Israelis are just supposed to hunker down and "bear their cross"!!!!

This is pure bovine excrement, and the result of a liberalizing of the Holy Scriptures by idiots who think they know better what God meant than He did.

End of rant!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Rolfe]

This is pure bovine excrement,...

Seriously? Why the need to "Christian Swear"? Everyone knows what you mean, so just use the term.

 

[RLBosley]

RLBosley: "Are you actually wanting an answer or are you just ranting? It looks like an emotional rant to me. Let's start a new thread if you want to talk, since that would be well beyond the bounds of this thread's OP. OK?"

If you read my post, you will note that I asked a very specific question, which is directly related to the topic!!!!

Emotional rant?? Darn tooten it was, cause I do get a little piqued when reading some of the nonsense posted about Israel vs Palestinians/Hamas/Muslims etc, etc.

The left seems to think EVERY country in the world should defend themselves EXCEPT Israel. Israel is just supposed to try to stop the suicide bombers and that's it. As long as rockets come from outside Israel, the Israelis are just supposed to hunker down and "bear their cross"!!!!

This is pure bovine excrement, and the result of a liberalizing of the Holy Scriptures by idiots who think they know better what God meant than He did.

End of rant!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Actually your question was not related to the topic of Israel and Hamas. You said:

Just for the record, how far would an intruder in your home have to go in torturing your wife/husband or kids have to go for you to decide to retaliate??

Not a trick question; my interpretation is that all you would be willing to do is keep him from hurting your family and then let him go. Is my understanding correct????

That is not related to Israel or Hamas. That's why I said that if you wanted to talk about it, rationally, then we can, just in a new thread about that subject.

Please point out any time I said every other country can defend itself but Israel. Please point out any time I even hinted at such a thing! Please point out any time I said that Israel, as a nation, should not defend itself.

You built up a straw man and have proceeded to beat the stuffing out of it. Congrats, I guess.

I also note your assigning me to the left and oblique use of profanity. Keep it classy bud. At least you recognize it for an emotional rant.

And the irony of your screen name in relation to this conversation... classic.

 

[just-want-peace]

If you fail to see the relation of y question to your subject, then it's useless for us to try to communicate.

I'm through.