It's a Sin to Disrespect the President and to not Submit to his Authority

[Bro. Curtis]

And it doesn't surprise me that you twist it in order to exalt yourself.

 

[poncho]

I agree. But God has not called the Church to sin in order to be salt of the earth. In preaching the Gospel, the Church can take a stand against every evil perpetrated by this world. But we've been to stuck on issues instead of the Gospel.



That certainly is nothing that I said.



Definitely some, not all.



http://chuckbaldwinlive.com/Articles/tabid/109/ID/320/Romans-13-Setting-It-Straight.aspx



That's your nice attempt at a lie as I haven't told you to follow evil.

Okay you told us we should be polite and respect evil. So what's the difference? I'll start respecting Obama when he stops lying and starts honoring his oath of office and not until and that's saying alot because according to the constitution the man isn't even qualified to hold the office of president. Everything about this man is fraudulent. From his birth certificate to Obamacare and everything in between. He is indeed the "great pretender".

 

[thisnumbersdisconnected]

The premise is Scriptural.

It's been clearly shown you that Jesus Himself criticized the political leader of His people. You see only what is convenient for you to see, and ignore that which negates your argument.

You're a hypocrite, for I know full well you did the same or worse in criticizing Romney, and I'd say it is a better-than-average guess you exhibited the same negativity and disrespect you haughtily accuse others of directing at the Great Pretender, when you wrote of or spoke of President George W. Bush

You think people have short memories, and you can escape having your own hypocrisy thrown up in your face? Think again!

 

[Bro. Curtis]

His caveat for the Romney-bashing was Romney wasn't president, so it was OK> I'm sure Zaac would have accepted his authority, had he won.

 

[Zaac]

Did Joseph and Mary defy Herod in their flight ? Pretty disrespectful.

And the continued comments in this vein show that the attempt to justify sin because yall are unhappy that the man is making choices that yall don't want made show how again, yall have no grasp of the admonition of the way of Christ, before admonition of the laws of men.

 

[Zaac]

Okay you told us we should be polite and respect evil.

Again that's your lie as I haven't told you to do any such thing.

So what's the difference?

The difference between what? Something I haven't told you to do? :laugh:

I'll start respecting Obama when he stops lying and starts honoring his oath of office and not until.

That's right because your obedience to God's commands rests upon what someone else does. Yes this is the very type of wicked thinking that's coming out of the church en masse. Shameful.

 

[thisnumbersdisconnected]

His caveat for the Romney-bashing was Romney wasn't president, so it was OK> I'm sure Zaac would have accepted his authority, had he won.

Oh, of course he would! Zaac wouldn't say one thing, and do another, would he?

By the way, Zaac, it occurred to me that, since the apostles encourage believers to honor the king, and since the apostles were Jewish, our question may be best served by examining the political commentary within the book of Kings found in the Jewish Scriptures. Jewish scholarship attributes the chronicling of these books to priests who were contemporaries of the kings. These priests highlighted the major accomplishments of each king, to each one's glory. But they also had another job, that of making a special point of summarizing the reign of each leader by evaluating his conduct with one of two general statements: Either "He did good in the sight of the LORD," or "He did evil in the sight of the LORD."

Priests were not limited to simply confronting political figures from the safety of their sacred halls, nor were they the only ones who made bold assertions directly in the presence of kings. Countless prophets within the Scriptures are on record for confronting the poor conduct of a king. In fact, when Elijah's protégé Elisha is summoned into the presence of both the King of Judah and the King of Israel, he says to King Jehoram:

2 Kings 3, NASB
14 ... "As the LORD of hosts lives, before whom I stand, were it not that I regard the presence of Jehoshaphat the king of Judah, I would not look at you nor see you."​

Where's that fit in your philosophy of respect for a bad leader, Zaacaroo? That's backhanded "respect" if I ever read it, and it was said to his face! We can't get before the Great Pretender's face, or else at least one of us here would repeat what we have written on these electronic pages.

 

[Zaac]

His caveat for the Romney-bashing was Romney wasn't president, so it was OK> I'm sure Zaac would have accepted his authority, had he won.

Sure would have cause I don't really care who is in the White House. God is still on His throne and my eternity remains unaffected. But I would have still pointed out the religion he follows as being 100% against Jesus Christ.

Yall act like this man is in office preaching heresy when yall are really pee'ed about money and stuff.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

And my eternity is not affected by you mislabeling something you don't like as "sin".

Admonishment rejected.

 

[poncho]

And as Poncho pointed out, we are not called to ignore the admonition of Christ in lieu of authority.



Ummm. They are the Republicans.



The premise is Scriptural. It doesn't surprise me that folks reject it when it doesn't suit their need to be angry and upset that they aren't politically getting their way.

Lawful authority Zaac, lawful authority. Obama is not acting on lawful authority. We are under no obligation to respect or obey unlawful authority. Get it?

 

[Zaac]

Oh, of course he would! Zaac wouldn't say one thing, and do another, would he?

By the way, Zaac, it occurred to me that, since the apostles encourage believers to honor the king, and since the apostles were Jewish, our question may be best served by examining the political commentary within the book of Kings found in the Jewish Scriptures. Jewish scholarship attributes the chronicling of these books to priests who were contemporaries of the kings. These priests highlighted the major accomplishments of each king, to each one's glory. But they also had another job, that of making a special point of summarizing the reign of each leader by evaluating his conduct with one of two general statements: Either "He did good in the sight of the LORD," or "He did evil in the sight of the LORD."

Sure does say that. And then it goes right on to tell you what the various kings did that was not good in the yes of the Lord. So do tell what has the President done that is in violation of God's word?

Priests were not limited to simply confronting political figures from the safety of their sacred halls, nor were they the only ones who made bold assertions directly in the presence of kings. Countless prophets within the Scriptures are on record for confronting the poor conduct of a king. In fact, when Elijah's protégé Elisha is summoned into the presence of both the King of Judah and the King of Israel, he says to King Jehoram:

2 Kings 3, NASB
14 ... "As the LORD of hosts lives, before whom I stand, were it not that I regard the presence of Jehoshaphat the king of Judah, I would not look at you nor see you."​

Where's that fit in your philosophy of respect for a bad leader, Zaacaroo? That's backhanded "respect" if I ever read it, and it was said to his face! We can't get before the Great Pretender's face, or else at least one of us here would repeat what we have written on these electronic pages.

Nice attempt to further justify sin. The priests confronted on the things of God. Yall mad about politics, money and material stuff.

 

[Zaac]

And my eternity is not affected by you mislabeling something you don't like as "sin".

Admonishment rejected.

It's God's word. Take it up with Him. And go ahead and add pride in there too with this attempt to justify not keeping a command He has given.

 

[JohnDeereFan]

Just another attempt to justify sin. Breaking the law does not invalidate his authority as President.

Actually, under our system of government, under the principle of enumerated powers, it does.

Just another way to try and justify sin. The MAN is in the office. The OFFICE was not placed in authority over you. The MAN was.

Actually, under our system of government, Obama has no authority over me. He's president, not emperor.

So I'll ask you, "do we obey God or man"?

Clearly, we obey God first, then man and then, only if man's laws are consistent with God's decrees.

 

[poncho]

Actually, under our system of government, under the principle of enumerated powers, it does.



Actually, under our system of government, Obama has no authority over me. He's president, not emperor.



Clearly, we obey God first, then man and then, only if man's laws are consistent with God's decrees.

Clearly Zaac doesn't understand our system of government.

 

[Zaac]

It's been clearly shown you that Jesus Himself criticized the political leader of His people.

Jesus spoke against that which was against HIS commands. What are your continued complaints about?

You see only what is convenient for you to see, and ignore that which negates your argument.

I see what is plain to see: A bunch of angry folks running around upset about politics, money and material stuff---and trying to use God as an excuse to justify why they don't keep His commands over something that has nothing to do with Him.

You're a hypocrite, for I know full well you did the same or worse in criticizing Romney, and I'd say it is a better-than-average guess you exhibited the same negativity and disrespect you haughtily accuse others of directing at the Great Pretender,

When Romney becomes President, you come let me know. But somewhere in that statement is an acknowledgement by you that you well know that your continued acts are sinful.

when you wrote of or spoke of President George W. Bush

:laugh: Sad when folks become so desperate to make a point in defense of the indefensible that they start making ludicrous, unfounded accusations about something they obviously don't know.

The only thing I ever said about Dubya, because I know the things that I have said, is that he was 100% absolutely wrong when he said that Christians and Muslims worship the same god.

You think people have short memories, and you can escape having your own hypocrisy thrown up in your face? Think again!

Too funny. Keep making stuff up to try and make your sin look good.

 

[Zaac]

Actually, under our system of government, under the principle of enumerated powers, it does.

And when Congress removes him from the position of authority based upon those enumerated powers, then you've got something to talk about. Till such an occasion, he's still your President and in authority over you.

Actually, under our system of government, Obama has no authority over me. He's president, not emperor.

Actually under our System of Authority, he was placed in authority over you in the position of leadership by God. Acknowledge it or not. It won't change the truth and this continued wickedness that is overflowing the church as many continue to try and justify this sin.

 

[Zaac]

Clearly Zaac doesn't understand our system of government.

I understand it quite well.

 

[thisnumbersdisconnected]

So do tell what has the President done that is in violation of God's word?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't lying a sin?

How about making an idol of one's self? Obama was once asked if he believed sin exists, and he said "Yes." But when asked to define sin, he said, "Being out of alignment with my values."

He said he is offended by the notion that all people need Christ in order to be saved.

“The difficult thing about… Christianity, is that at some level there is a call to evangelize... There’s the belief, certainly in some quarters, that people haven’t embraced Jesus Christ as their personal savior that they're going to hell.”

Do I have to explain to you how his statements represent sin, Zaac, or can you figure that out for yourself? He denies the deity and power of Christ! Would you dare do that and continue to call yourself a Christian? More importantly, how quickly would you denigrate any of us for doing so on this board, yet you defend this man as one who has done nothing to violate the word of God! That's pure unadulterated hypocrisy.

Nice attempt to further justify sin.

Hardly. But yours is most assuredly an attempt to call a hopelessly lost sinner a sinless man. That's precisely what your statement initially quoted in this post attempts to do, and there's nothing funny about that.

 

[poncho]

Sad when folks become so desperate to make a point in defense of the indefensible that they start making ludicrous, unfounded accusations about something they obviously don't know.

 

[poncho]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't lying a sin?

How about making an idol of one's self? Obama was once asked if he believed sin exists, and he said "Yes." But when asked to define sin, he said, "Being out of alignment with my values."

He said he is offended by the notion that all people need Christ in order to be saved.

Do I have to explain to you how his statements represent sin, Zaac, or can you figure that out for yourself? He denies the deity and power of Christ! Would you dare do that and continue to call yourself a Christian? More importantly, how quickly would you denigrate any of us for doing so on this board, yet you defend this man as one who has done nothing to violate the word of God! That's pure unadulterated hypocrisy.

Hardly. But yours is most assuredly an attempt to call a hopelessly lost sinner a sinless man. That's precisely what your statement initially quoted in this post attempts to do, and there's nothing funny about that.

Stealing is a sin. Socialism couldn't exist without theft nor could it exist without coveting which is also a sin.

Murder is a sin. But Obama says it's a "woman's right" as well as his. He maintains he has the right to kill people he "suspects" of being involved in "terrorism". For anyone else to kill a person on suspicion alone would be murder.

Bearing false witness is a sin and Obama blames everyone else for the things he and his ilk have done. He is a man that is definitely in need of a savior and I ain't talk about the state neither.