It's a Sin to Disrespect the President and to not Submit to his Authority

[thisnumbersdisconnected]

Sad when folks become so desperate to make a point in defense of the indefensible that they start making ludicrous, unfounded accusations about something they obviously don't know.

Do you recall posting a thread on October 17 of last year, on which you linked a HuffPo editorial applauding the Great Pretender for "political acumen" in managing to call Bush both an "extremist" and a "moderate" during one of the debates with Romney?

Do you remember that, Zaac?

 

[Zaac]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't lying a sin?

Sure is. What lies do you know of that have nothing to do with political hearsay and gossip?

How about making an idol of one's self? Obama was once asked if he believed sin exists, and he said "Yes." But when asked to define sin, he said, "Being out of alignment with my values."

So your problem with him is that he's set himself up as an idol? Kinda like you've set your disdain for him up as an idol.

H

e said he is offended by the notion that all people need Christ in order to be saved.

See now these you should rightly take issue with. But as can be seen daily, your real problem ain't got nothing to do with those things. You're going on and on daily about politics, money and a bunch of stuff that has nothing to so with eternity.

Do I have to explain to you how his statements represent sin, Zaac, or can you figure that out for yourself?

Oh I get that. But do I have to explain to you that those things you mentioned aren't the things you complain about every day? It's a nice attempt again to justify your sin, but every page that you mention the man's name clearly shows that those things are way down on your list of the issues you take with him.

He denies the deity and power of Christ! Would you dare do that and continue to call yourself a Christian? More importantly, how quickly would you denigrate any of us for doing so on this board, yet you defend this man as one who has done nothing to violate the word of God! That's pure unadulterated hypocrisy.

Again, not a single issue of which you point out daily. Why? Because your issues is one of POLITICS and has nothing to do with God. And you bring these up now to try to justify yourself in your disobedience.

Wickedness is what it amounts to.

Hardly. But yours is most assuredly an attempt to call a hopelessly lost sinner a sinless man.

Why would I call a known sinner sinless? That's like trying to claim I'm disrespecting him and not submitting to his authority and calling him names because of offenses against me instead of offenses against God.

That's precisely what your statement initially quoted in this post attempts to do, and there's nothing funny about that.

That's what you want it to do because as usual, you got to find a way to not do what God's word says to do because you're mad about POLITICS.

 

[Zaac]

Do you recall posting a thread on October 17 of last year, on which you linked a HuffPo editorial applauding the Great Pretender for "political acumen" in managing to call Bush both an "extremist" and a "moderate" during one of the debates with Romney?

Do you remember that, Zaac?

I remember you trying to pretend that your disdain for the President that God has placed in authority over you has to do with his offenses against God instead of his offenses against you and your politics.

 

[Zaac]

Stealing is a sin. Socialism couldn't exist without theft nor could it exist without coveting which is also a sin.

That's a nice stretch. There is nothing sinful about socialism any more than there would be anything sinful about the government deciding to tax you at 100% and redistribute everything you made.

Give to Caesar what is Caesars and to God what is God's. You're talking about MONEY again.

Murder is a sin. But Obama says it's a "woman's right" as well as his.

It is their right. It's 100% sinful. But God has definitely given them the right to make the wrong decision.

He maintains he has the right to kill people he "suspects" of being involved in "terrorism". For anyone else to kill a person on suspicion alone would be murder.

Isn't that the notion behind Stand Your Ground and a lot of other concealed weapons laws? If someone breaks into your home with the intent of stealing but not bodily harm, do you have the right to suspect him of being there to kill you?

Bearing false witness is a sin and Obama blames everyone else for the things he and his ilk have done.

Then speak to his bearing false witness instead of his politics. That STILL does not give us an excuse to not obey God's command about those placed in authority over us.

He is a man that is definitely in need of a savior and I ain't talk about the state neither.

And who is gonna point him to that Savior? A bunch of folks who claim to follow Christ who at every given opportunity try to justify their disobedience to Christ just because they dislike a man's politics?

 

[JohnDeereFan]

And when Congress removes him from the position of authority based upon those enumerated powers, then you've got something to talk about. Till such an occasion, he's still your President and in authority over you.

Actually, the president doesn't have any authority over me.

Actually under our System of Authority, he was placed in authority over you in the position of leadership by God.

Could you please show us where in the Constitution the president is an authority over citizens?

 

[just-want-peace]

Keep your eyes open folks; soon as the ZERO, or someone like him, becomes the dictator of the newest 3rd world country, you'll see, as chief advisor to HIS/HER Highness', ZAAC!!!!!:BangHead::BangHead:

(Itching ears and all that):thumbs:

 

[thisnumbersdisconnected]

I remember you trying to pretend that your disdain for the President that God has placed in authority over you has to do with his offenses against God instead of his offenses against you and your politics.

That's not an answer, is it, Zaac-a-doodle? Selective memory problems, ol' boy?

 

[poncho]

That's a nice stretch. There is nothing sinful about socialism any more than there would be anything sinful about the government deciding to tax you at 100% and redistribute everything you made.

Talk about stretching. The government can decide to do anything it wants but that doesn't make it legal or moral. Socialism is theft pure and simple and direct taxes are unconstitutional unless they're apportioned equally among the states.

The income tax does not pass the constitutional muster. That's why the US never had an income tax before 1913. The income tax was snuck in under the cover of darkness with the unconstitutional Federal Reserve act. Unconstitutional = illegal. Having an illegal system of theft and tyranny in place for one hundred years does not make it legal.

Give to Caesar what is Caesars and to God what is God's. You're talking about MONEY again.

And what rightfully belongs to Caesar Zaac? Only that which he is legally and lawfully authorized and nothing else. No, we're talking about what is lawful for Caesar.

It is their right. It's 100% sinful. But God has definitely given them the right to make the wrong decision.

Murder is not a right. God said "thou shalt not murder". It don't get any plainer than that.

Isn't that the notion behind Stand Your Ground and a lot of other concealed weapons laws? If someone breaks into your home with the intent of stealing but not bodily harm, do you have the right to suspect him of being there to kill you?

The state I live says that being in fear for my life or the lives of my family justifies the use of deadly force. I don't have to decide what a person is after if he or she breaks down my door. I sure ain't going to hand him or her a questionnaire to fill out. Mr. Smith and Mr. Wesson are going do my talking.

Then speak to his bearing false witness instead of his politics. That STILL does not give us an excuse to not obey God's command about those placed in authority over us.

Just because you keep making the same false claims over and over again does not make them any less false Zaac. I'm not going to change my ways just because you keep trying to misapply scripture to get your own way.

And who is gonna point him to that Savior? A bunch of folks who claim to follow Christ who at every given opportunity try to justify their disobedience to Christ just because they dislike a man's politics?

He's already been pointed to the one true savior. The rest is up to him.

We aren't being disobedient to Christ by demanding Obama live by the law and honor his oath to faithfully execute the law. The U.S. Constitution is the law refereed to in that oath Zaac.

If anyone is being disobedient to Christ it's you for constantly defending this man's lawlessness and trying to make all your brothers and sisters in Christ submissive accessories to his crimes against God, this nation and humanity.

 

[thisnumbersdisconnected]

Sure is. What lies do you know of that have nothing to do with political hearsay and gossip?

You can try to qualify "If you like your insurance plan, you can keep it" as hearsay and gossip if you want, but that just means you're nothing more than a cheap unpaid apologist for the lying Great Pretender.

So your problem with him is that he's set himself up as an idol? Kinda like you've set your disdain for him up as an idol.

Epic fail. That's not a refutation, it's not even a denial. That's deflection. Setting one's self up as an idol? That's sin to the utmost, replacing God with one's self. Odd that you would make no effort to claim your idol isn't doing that.

See now these you should rightly take issue with. But as can be seen daily, your real problem ain't got nothing to do with those things. You're going on and on daily about politics, money and a bunch of stuff that has nothing to so with eternity.

Then why did I even bother to mention it, Zaac-a-roonie, if it isn't my "real problem" with him? And I notice you say I should rightly take issue with it, but you do nothing to join in that issue-taking -- which you should do, being a Christian -- or trying to prove I have misunderstood. Instead, you try to deflect the argument back to me. The thread isn't about me, as you, the OP, should know.

Oh I get that. But do I have to explain to you that those things you mentioned aren't the things you complain about every day?

No, the things I talk about every day are symptoms of the sin. How is it you missed that.

It's a nice attempt again to justify your sin ...

And again, deflection from the G/P to me. And again, the thread isn't about me.

Again, not a single issue of which you point out daily.

Again, the disease those symptoms I mention every day point to.

Why? Because your issues is one of POLITICS and has nothing to do with God.

Wrong. But that could certainly describe your illogical defense of him.

And you bring these up now to try to justify yourself in your disobedience.

If I am "disobedient" in bringing up his sin and the symptoms thereof, then those biblical figures I mentioned who did the same thing with their leaders were also disobedient. How about you undertake to exposit on their sin in order to prove us sinful? That would be helpful, and I think all else here would agree. So go for it.

Wickedness is what it amounts to.

Before you point out the alleged speck in my eye, how about you remove the lumber yard from your own?

Why would I call a known sinner sinless?

I don't know, Zaac-a-rino. That's why I pointed it out, so see if you could explain. But as you have done throughout this thread, you deflect from your idol, the Great Pretender, and point a lyingly accusing finger at others.

That's like trying to claim I'm disrespecting him and not submitting to his authority and calling him names because of offenses against me instead of offenses against God.

Oh, I know you would never do that. He's your idol, graven image, etc.

That's what you want it to do because as usual, you got to find a way to not do what God's word says to do because you're mad about POLITICS.

Once and finally, God's word does not forbid or call "sin" what I do in criticizing this Great Pretender in the White House, and you calling it "sin" only causes us to see how deeply your idolatry of this lying constitutional deconstructor really goes.

 

[preacher4truth]

We all know the truth of the matter here. If we had a conservative prez in office right now zaac would be preaching 'obey God rather than man'.

Since we have a socialist fascist america hating prez he wants everyone to bow to Barry Soetero and submit.

 

[Zaac]

That's not an answer, is it, Zaac-a-doodle? Selective memory problems, ol' boy?

My memory is just fine. So fine that I remember you trying to pretend that your disdain for the President that God has placed in authority over you has to do with his offenses against God instead of his offenses against you and your politics.

 

[Revmitchell]

OBama is an evil abortionist and deserves no respect. Of course if Obama was white this op would not exist.

 

[Zaac]

Talk about stretching. The government can decide to do anything it wants but that doesn't make it legal or moral. Socialism is theft pure and simple and direct taxes are unconstitutional unless they're apportioned equally among the states.

That ain't got nothing to do with anything. Where does God's word show that it's illegal or immoral for the government to take from you and give it to someone else?

YOU have a political issue with socialism. God's word hasn't spoken to it. He has spoken to giving the money to the government that prints it. So in accordance with HIS WORD, not yours, the government can tax you and take "your" money and redistribute it anyway they want.

And what are you talking about apportioned equally among the states? What's that got to do with God's word and theft?

The income tax does not pass the constitutional muster. That's why the US never had an income tax before 1913. The income tax was snuck in under the cover of darkness with the unconstitutional Federal Reserve act. Unconstitutional = illegal. Having an illegal system of theft and tyranny in place for one hundred years does not make it legal.

So what?. A tax is a tax. The government prints it. The government can tax it and take it. You calling it illegal doesn't make it illegal just because you don't like the way it was snuck in and made into law. Where does God's word say that theft is defined by the Constitution?

And what rightfully belongs to Caesar Zaac? Only that which he is legally and lawfully authorized and nothing else. No, we're talking about what is lawful for Caesar.

He prints it. Then legally it's his and he can tax it however he wants.

Murder is not a right. God said "thou shalt not murder". It don't get any plainer than that.

I didn't say murder is a right. I said they have the right to make the decision.

The state I live says that being in fear for my life or the lives of my family justifies the use of deadly force. I don't have to decide what a person is after if he or she breaks down my door. I sure ain't going to hand him or her a questionnaire to fill out. Mr. Smith and Mr. Wesson are going do my talking.

So your state makes the same supposition as you say the President makes about suspected terrorists.

Just because you keep making the same false claims over and over again does not make them any less false Zaac. I'm not going to change my ways just because you keep trying to misapply scripture to get your own way.

That's between you and God. When He says stop pointing it out, I will. You claiming that I'm misapplying Scripture so that you can feel good about disobeying God's commands doesn't mean that i'm misapplying Scripture.

He's already been pointed to the one true savior. The rest is up to him.

By whom? A bunch of folks proclaiming he needs a Savior when they supposedly have Him and don't obey Him?

Let me know how that works out for your witness.

We aren't being disobedient to Christ by demanding Obama live by the law and honor his oath to faithfully execute the law. The U.S. Constitution is the law refereed to in that oath Zaac.

Your disobedience has nothing to do with demanding Obama abide by the Constitution. Yall's disrespect and dishonoring of the man is coming from you feeling like he's making political and economic decisions that you don't like.

And that ain't got nothing to do with you disobeying God. It's just the excuse yall have gotten comfortable using.

If anyone is being disobedient to Christ it's you for constantly defending this man's lawlessness and trying to make all your brothers and sisters in Christ submissive accessories to his crimes against God, this nation and humanity.

Another lie born of your own making. He can be as politically lawless as he wants. It doesn't undo God's command to US.

 

[Zaac]

You can try to qualify "If you like your insurance plan, you can keep it" as hearsay and gossip if you want, but that just means you're nothing more than a cheap unpaid apologist for the lying Great Pretender.

And you can try to qualify that your name calling and disrespect for the one God has placed in authority over you to be the result of an offense to God when you're really talking about his offense to you and your brand of politics.

Epic fail. That's not a refutation, it's not even a denial. That's deflection. Setting one's self up as an idol? That's sin to the utmost, replacing God with one's self. Odd that you would make no effort to claim your idol isn't doing that.

That's not a refutation of you setting your disdain for the man up as an idol.

Then why did I even bother to mention it, Zaac-a-roonie, if it isn't my "real problem" with him? And I notice you say I should rightly take issue with it, but you do nothing to join in that issue-taking -- which you should do, being a Christian -- or trying to prove I have misunderstood. Instead, you try to deflect the argument back to me. The thread isn't about me, as you, the OP, should know.

Um because you were challenged to come up with something that has to do with God's word as opposed to your politics.:laugh:

No, the things I talk about every day are symptoms of the sin. How is it you missed that.

Right, your calling the man the Great Pretender everyday is a symptom of YOUR sin.

And again, deflection from the G/P to me. And again, the thread isn't about me.

Oh you mean like you keep trying to make it about me? :laugh:

Again, the disease those symptoms I mention every day point to.

Again the disease that I mention today and every day that are symptoms of YOUR sin.

Wrong. But that could certainly describe your illogical defense of him.

My defense is a figment of your angry imagination.

If I am "disobedient" in bringing up his sin and the symptoms thereof, then those biblical figures I mentioned who did the same thing with their leaders were also disobedient. How about you undertake to exposit on their sin in order to prove us sinful? That would be helpful, and I think all else here would agree. So go for it.

Anyway. Those Biblical figures dealt with things done against God. All yall talk about is things done against your politics cause that's what matters to ya.

Before you point out the alleged speck in my eye, how about you remove the lumber yard from your own?

And once again you make clear that you know your actions are sinful.

I don't know, Zaac-a-rino. That's why I pointed it out, so see if you could explain. But as you have done throughout this thread, you deflect from your idol, the Great Pretender, and point a lyingly accusing finger at others.

I don't have to accuse ya. The actions juxtaposed to God's word do all the pointing that needs to be done.

Oh, I know you would never do that. He's your idol, graven image, etc.

Your anger and disdain have become your idol.

Once and finally, God's word does not forbid or call "sin" what I do in criticizing this Great Pretender in the White House, and you calling it "sin" only causes us to see how deeply your idolatry of this lying constitutional deconstructor really goes.

Yes continue to try and justify the wickedness and then look confused about why God keeps giving those of you doing it more of the very thing you say you don't want.

 

[blackbird]

We don't have to like some of his decisions but we are called to honor, respect and submit to his authority as God allowed him to be placed there.

How different the Christian testimony would be if rather than disrespecting the President and calling him names at every given opportunity, the people of God chose to look beyond their situation and to Christ and eternity and prayed for the man any time they wanted to get heated about one of the decisions made by him or his administration?

Shouldn't the Body of Christ be setting the example?

Jesus once referred to King Herod as "that Fox"----go do a word study on that reference & meaning and then come talk to us about respect of the POTUS!!!:type::wavey:

 

[Zaac]

OBama is an evil abortionist and deserves no respect.

Good for us God doesn't set His commands based upon what YOU think someone deserves.

Of course if Obama was white this op would not exist.

If he weren't Black, you wouldn't have any reason to bring up race all the time ala Sharpton. Sounds like more of your , in your words, "race baiting".

 

[Zaac]

Jesus once referred to King Herod as "that Fox"----go do a word study on that reference & meaning and then come talk to us about respect of the POTUS!!!:type::wavey:

No need to do a word study. I know what fox means. And so here I am again telling you that God's word demands that you as a Christian do in reference to those HE placed in authority over you.

If you choose to disobey His command and call your disobedience obedience, I'll leave it to Him to deal with. But I'm still called to point it out.

And it is this continued wickedness that Christians insist on attempting to justify that keeps getting you the very things politically and economically you don't want.

Shows just how much more our politics mean to us than obedience to Christ.:wavey:

 

[poncho]

That ain't got nothing to do with anything. Where does God's word show that it's illegal or immoral for the government to take from you and give it to someone else?

YOU have a political issue with socialism. God's word hasn't spoken to it. He has spoken to giving the money to the government that prints it. So in accordance with HIS WORD, not yours, the government can tax you and take "your" money and redistribute it anyway they want.

And what are you talking about apportioned equally among the states? What's that got to do with God's word and theft?

So what?. A tax is a tax. The government prints it. The government can tax it and take it. You calling it illegal doesn't make it illegal just because you don't like the way it was snuck in and made into law. Where does God's word say that theft is defined by the Constitution?

He prints it. Then legally it's his and he can tax it however he wants.

I didn't say murder is a right. I said they have the right to make the decision.

So your state makes the same supposition as you say the President makes about suspected terrorists.

That's between you and God. When He says stop pointing it out, I will. You claiming that I'm misapplying Scripture so that you can feel good about disobeying God's commands doesn't mean that i'm misapplying Scripture.

By whom? A bunch of folks proclaiming he needs a Savior when they supposedly have Him and don't obey Him?

Let me know how that works out for your witness.

Your disobedience has nothing to do with demanding Obama abide by the Constitution. Yall's disrespect and dishonoring of the man is coming from you feeling like he's making political and economic decisions that you don't like.

And that ain't got nothing to do with you disobeying God. It's just the excuse yall have gotten comfortable using.

Another lie born of your own making. He can be as politically lawless as he wants. It doesn't undo God's command to US.

You know, their was a population once that thought they were being obedient to God the way you think we ought to today. They even misinterpreted and misapplied Roman 13 to brow beat Christians into submission just as you are attempting to do. Their leader ended up killing himself in a dark dank bunker while the last great city in his country was being totally destroyed.

Sieg Heil Zaac.

 

[preacher4truth]

Jesus once referred to King Herod as "that Fox"----go do a word study on that reference & meaning and then come talk to us about respect of the POTUS!!!:type::wavey:

THAT is GREAT!!!!

 

[Salty]

The income tax does not pass the constitutional muster. That's why the US never had an income tax before 1913. The income tax was snuck in under the cover of darkness with the unconstitutional Federal Reserve act. Unconstitutional = illegal. Having an illegal system of theft and tyranny in place for one hundred years does not make it legal.

I'm not sure who posted this orginally - I cut and pasted this from a "quote" on Zaac post # 53 .

Well, it appears the poster of the the quote above does not know his US history. As far as there being no income tax before 1913 he should read this link