It's a Sin to Disrespect the President and to not Submit to his Authority

[Zaac]

You know, their was a population once that they were being obedient to God they way you think we ought to today. Their leader ended up killing himself in a dark dank bunker while the last great city in his country was totally destroyed.

Sieg Heil Zaac.

Right because everyone knows that I'm talking about going along with President Obama's march to genocidally murder the Jews.

Again, as YOU first mentioned, giving admonition to Christ. So save the extremities for someone who is thrown off course by such things.

The problems with the President that are constantly discussed on this board are POLITICAL and ain't got nothing to do with God. Yall make darn sure everyone knows that.

 

[Zaac]

The income tax does not pass the constitutional muster. That's why the US never had an income tax before 1913. The income tax was snuck in under the cover of darkness with the unconstitutional Federal Reserve act. Unconstitutional = illegal. Having an illegal system of theft and tyranny in place for one hundred years does not make it legal.

I'm not sure who posted this orginally - I cut and pasted this from a "quote" on Zaac post # 53 .

Well, it appears the poster of the the quote above does not know his US history. As far as there being no income tax before 1913 he should read this link

That would be Poncho.

 

[poncho]

The income tax does not pass the constitutional muster. That's why the US never had an income tax before 1913. The income tax was snuck in under the cover of darkness with the unconstitutional Federal Reserve act. Unconstitutional = illegal. Having an illegal system of theft and tyranny in place for one hundred years does not make it legal.

I'm not sure who posted this orginally - I cut and pasted this from a "quote" on Zaac post # 53 .

Well the poster of the the quote above appears is does not know US history. As far as there being no income tax before 1913 he should read this link

Evidently you have such a long ignore list you can't remember who's on it or you just prefer to pretend you don't read my posts . . . whatever.

Anyways . . . I read what was in your post and your link. And I quote . . .

"After weighing their options, the House Ways and Means Committee drew up a bill to tax personal and corporate incomes. This bill, the first income tax measure in the United States, called for a 3% tax on incomes over $800. Although the bill quickly passed in both the House and the Senate, it was never put into operation. Still, it paved the way for the next bill of its kind."

Unless I am mistaken never being put into operation means it was never put into operation. Therefore and henceforth . . .

Now if someone would be so kind as to quote this post so Salty can read it without blowing his undercover act I'd be much obliged. :smilewinkgrin:

 

[poncho]

That would be Poncho.

He knows that. Unlike you he's just feigning ignorance.

 

[thisnumbersdisconnected]

Jesus once referred to King Herod as "that Fox"----go do a word study on that reference & meaning and then come talk to us about respect of the POTUS!!!:type::wavey:

Yeah, I told him that too. He's too busy thinking of words with which he can defend an unqualified and unmitigated disaster, to pay any attention to reason.

 

[thisnumbersdisconnected]

He knows that. Unlike you he's just feigning ignorance.

... as opposed to actually being ig-- ... never mind.

Just trying to help with the translation. :thumbsup:

 

[Zaac]

... as opposed to actually being ig-- ... never mind.

Just trying to help with the translation. :thumbsup:

Yep still disobedient. But you've acknowledged it twice so I know you know.:thumbsup:

 

[Bro. Curtis]

Read Scarlett's thread, folks.

 

[Revmitchell]

Read Scarlett's thread, folks.

Zaac does not actually care. He is just defending a black President.

 

[righteousdude2]

A Flawed Thought?

We don't have to like some of his decisions but we are called to honor, respect and submit to his authority as God allowed him to be placed there.

How different the Christian testimony would be if rather than disrespecting the President and calling him names at every given opportunity, the people of God chose to look beyond their situation and to Christ and eternity and prayed for the man any time they wanted to get heated about one of the decisions made by him or his administration?

Shouldn't the Body of Christ be setting the example?

Need I do anything else but remind you Zaac, that millions of Germans submitted to a madman named Hitler...and we all know what happened there.

Let me point out a few things to think about in that text:

"Be a good citizen. All governments are under God. (1) - Insofar as there is peace and order, it’s God’s order. So live responsibly as a citizen. If you’re irresponsible to the state, then you’re irresponsible with God, and God will hold you responsible. Duly constituted authorities are only a threat if you’re trying to get by with something. Decent citizens should have nothing to fear.

Do you want to be on good terms with the government? Be a responsible citizen and you’ll get on just fine, (2) - the government working to your advantage. But if you’re breaking the rules right and left, watch out. The police aren’t there just to be admired in their uniforms. God also has an interest in keeping order, and he uses them to do it. That’s why you must live responsibly—not just to avoid punishment but also because it’s the right way to live.

That’s also why you pay taxes—so that an orderly way of life can be maintained. Fulfill your obligations as a citizen. Pay your taxes, pay your bills, respect your leaders."

I believe that Paul presented two exceptions to this, as noted above...

1) Insofar as there is PEACE and ORDER. Granted we have peace, but "Order" is suspect in the manner in which our government is now running!

2) The government needs to be working for OUR ADVANTAGE! Again, is this government currently working for the advantage of the majority?

You need to ask yourself these questions! IMHO, there seems to be a rapid decay in the order by which this government is following the Constitution and applying laws [taxes] in a fair, non biased manner! And it is growing more and more questionable as to whether this president, and our majority leaders are truly working in favor of the majority.

*They have overlooked the majority when it comes to forcing same-sex marriage upon a nation that still holds marriage in highest esteem!
*Are those who claim to be born-again believers following this Pauline directive "whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted" when they come over our borders improperly and illegally, is that not rebelling? When they set up housekeeping and have babies [under the Anchor Baby laws], not rebelling? Obtaining illegal social security cards and drivers licenses, is that not rebelling?....Are illegals, according to Paul's terms in the text, NOT REBELLING against the government??? Should they not adhere to this part of Paul's teaching? Are they not guilty of sin???
*Should those who live here ILLEGALLY not be subject to this part of Paul's teaching? "But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason." BTW - our government is once again not following what is expected of them as they FAIL to use the sword [of justice] to deport those wrongfully here! And that leaves us one more reason not to OBEY the law of the land, and to call it on the carpet!

I appreciate your post, as it truly gave me a new and refreshing view of this text in Romans 12. It sure seems that this government is in violation of not doing its part, which brings into question the right for the majority to rise up and question, and disrespect, as you say, those in leadership of this once great nation!

I'd have to say that those of us who are annoyed with the government have a right to be angry, frustrated and disappointed, and we are not living in any form of sin, because this government has not met the basic requirements as laid out by Paul!

I wonder what Paul would've done had he lived in our day and time of moral and political corruption! I'm sure his fiery spirit would be leveling the boom of judgement on the lack of social mores, and the decay of law and order! :wavey:

 

[Zaac]

Yeah, I told him that too. He's too busy thinking of words with which he can defend an unqualified and unmitigated disaster, to pay any attention to reason.

Pure vain foolishness to think your disrespectful, dishonoring words to one God has placed in authority over you are on par with the words of an always Holy, always respectful, always honoring, Sinless Jesus.

 

[Aaron]

We don't have to like some of his decisions but we are called to honor, respect and submit to his authority as God allowed him to be placed there.

How different the Christian testimony would be if rather than disrespecting the President and calling him names at every given opportunity, the people of God chose to look beyond their situation and to Christ and eternity and prayed for the man any time they wanted to get heated about one of the decisions made by him or his administration?

Shouldn't the Body of Christ be setting the example?

Here we go again. Who's the ruler of this nation? Hint: it ain't the President.

 

[Don]

Love Scarlett's thread.

Look, folks, here's the straight poop on this thread: Zaac doesn't like y'all calling our president names (and yes, he's "our" president, whether you voted for him or not, whether you disagree with him or not; just as military members are required to obey and follow their appointed commanders whether we like them or not, or disagree with them, yada yada blah blah blah....).

Never mind that calling someone names has nothing to do with submitting to their authority; never mind that that professing that their actions are contrary to scripture has nothing to do with honoring their position...well, as y'all have pointed out for eight pages, Zaac has mis-applied scripture ... simply because he doesn't like y'all calling the president things like "great pretender."

But Zaac also achieved his goal. He likes stirring things up around here. He never actually debates anything. He never supports his position on any topic he introduces. He never uses any sources to actually prove anyone wrong; he just talks about the body of Christ being nicer and more loving than even Christ was.

But his purpose was achieved; eight pages, and he still holds to the position he started with, despite all the scriptural evidence provided him unequivocably showing his misapplication of scripture...which means that all he's really doing is trying to get our goats...and I'd have to say, we're letting him succeed.

 

[Zaac]

Here we go again. Who's the ruler of this nation? Hint: it ain't the President.

Yes here we go again trying to make excuses for why the Body disobeys God's command.

 

[Zaac]

Love Scarlett's thread.

Look, folks, here's the straight poop on this thread: Zaac doesn't like y'all calling our president names (and yes, he's "our" president, whether you voted for him or not, whether you disagree with him or not; just as military members are required to obey and follow their appointed commanders whether we like them or not, or disagree with them, yada yada blah blah blah....).

It has nothing to do with what "Zaac" likes. Yall claim to be followers of Christ then follow and stop trying to make ridiculously stupid excuses to not do so just because the man's politics don't sync with your own.

Never mind that calling someone names has nothing to do with submitting to their authority;

Mind that it has a lot to do with respect.

never mind that that professing that their actions are contrary to scripture has nothing to do with honoring their position

Mind that if yall were talking about his unGodliness rather than his politics with which you disagree, then you'd have a leg to stand upon. As the lot of you don't do anything but go on and on about the man's politics, wonder which is perceived by the world as your primary concern?

...well, as y'all have pointed out for eight pages, Zaac has mis-applied scripture ... simply because he doesn't like y'all calling the president things like "great pretender."

And as Zaac has pointed out the last year and a half, majority approval of wickedness doesn't make it Godliness. Neither does a mass denial that Scripture has been misapplied make it so.

This board has the same disease that's infected the church. But as Scripture says 2 Preach the word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage—with great patience and careful instruction. 3 For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. 4 They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths. 5 But you, keep your head in all situations, endure hardship, do the work of an evangelist, discharge all the duties of your ministry. 2 Tim. 4:2-5

But Zaac also achieved his goal. He likes stirring things up around here. He never actually debates anything. He never supports his position on any topic he introduces. He never uses any sources to actually prove anyone wrong; he just talks about the body of Christ being nicer and more loving than even Christ was.

You're silly. You sit and debate Scripture with folks. I'll keep proclaiming It.

But his purpose was achieved; eight pages, and he still holds to the position he started with, despite all the scriptural evidence provided him unequivocably showing his misapplication of scripture

Man please. All yall have shown is that because of politics, yall display the same puffed up wicked, false piety that you have since day 1. And apparently think that because you're in agreement about your wickedness, that it somehow morphs into Godliness.

...which means that all he's really doing is trying to get our goats...and I'd have to say, we're letting him succeed.

I don't want your goat. :laugh: So back to IGNORE for you and your fake "impartiality" and fake attempts to be the "peacemaker". That lil act should have been put on IGNORE months before it was.

 

[thisnumbersdisconnected]

It has nothing to do with what "Zaac" likes.

It has EVERYTHING to do with what Zaac likes, and you like this unmitigated disaster that calls himself an American and got himself elected to the office, so you're going to defend him regardless of how destructive and dangerous he is to the Constitution and the American way of life. You'd let him demolish democracy and replace it with a police-state socialist government -- which, by the way, he is trying to do -- and you would applaud his every move.

You'd defend him if he woke up in the middle of the night and slew Michelle and the kids, coming up with some excuse about how he, and only he, knew they were Iranian spies. The really scary thing about it is, you and a good portion of the black population would believe a story like that.

You have no more Christian intent in defending this man and chastising those who do than Judas had in betraying Christ. I think I've had enough of you.

 

[Zaac]

It has EVERYTHING to do with what Zaac likes, and you like this unmitigated disaster that calls himself an American and got himself elected to the office, so you're going to defend him regardless of how destructive and dangerous he is to the Constitution and the American way of life.

I understand that anger blinds people to the truth. Give it to Jesus.

You'd let him demolish democracy and replace it with a police-state socialist government -- which, by the way, he is trying to do -- and you would applaud his every move.

This world is not my home. So when it comes to disobeying God's commands and walking in a spirit of anger because of some guy's politics rather than obeying Christ and displaying His love? You're right. I'd gladly let him demolish it. Perhaps a little less "democracy" will cause the church to get as angry about folks going to hell as they are about a man's politics.

You'd defend him if he woke up in the middle of the night and slew Michelle and the kids, coming up with some excuse about how he, and only he, knew they were Iranian spies. The really scary thing about it is, you and a good portion of the black population would believe a story like that.

Now now now. Those teeth of prejudice are starting to show.

You have no more Christian intent in defending this man and chastising those who do than Judas had in betraying Christ.

Right because telling the Body of Christ to obey God's commands is defending him. Anger does blind folks to the truth.

I think I've had enough of you.

That's what that IGNORE function is for. But you're too angry to dare let me unabated say anything that goes against your politics. Got to defend that anger to the grave.

 

[evenifigoalone]

Some of the silly things I see about the Pres. on facebook are kinda unfair...but then some of them are also too funny not to laugh. (And of course it helps that I'm not really a fan of him myself.)
Like this: http://iamtheunison.deviantart.com/art/Brainless-Obama-413103610
Come on, tell me that isn't funny.:laugh::tonofbricks:



It's good to question authority in a democratic/republic society, IMO. Since we elect our leaders, we can't view them as flawless and just agree with whatever they want to happen--we're the people and we have a say, dang it. The President isn't supposed to be there to lord it over us.


Do we respect his office as president and ordained leader? Yeah. And my dad made it a habit to pray for him. That doesn't mean he didn't laugh at political cartoons or not criticize him.

 

[Salty]

Zaac - this is Post # 79- so its possible I may have missed a few posts.

But I dont know if you have answered a question or two that I think I have seen. If not - then I will (re) post them here:

1) Were the Germans wrong in refusing to submit to Hitler?
2) Were the Colonists wrong in waging war against King George III?

A simple yes or no should be sufficent.

and if you say no to # 2 - then you would have to agree that the CSA was right in forming their own country - correct?

 

[Zaac]

Some of the silly things I see about the Pres. on facebook are kinda unfair...but then some of them are also too funny not to laugh. (And of course it helps that I'm not really a fan of him myself.)
Like this: http://iamtheunison.deviantart.com/art/Brainless-Obama-413103610
Come on, tell me that isn't funny.:laugh::tonofbricks:



It's good to question authority in a democratic/republic society, IMO. Since we elect our leaders, we can't view them as flawless and just agree with whatever they want to happen--we're the people and we have a say, dang it.

Absolutely.:thumbsup:

The President isn't supposed to be there to lord it over us.

It's a power trip. Senators do it. Governors do it. Mayors do it. Bosses do it. Classmates do it.

Do we respect his office as president and ordained leader? Yeah. And my dad made it a habit to pray for him. That doesn't mean he didn't laugh at political cartoons or not criticize him.

Criticism for the sake of criticism is not Godly. As exampled in God's word, our concern is to be with the things of Christ. If he is doing something that is against God's commands, we are obligated to speak and correct and rebuke.

But for example, if he chooses to institute a socialistic law like the Affordable Care Act, we can disagree that it's a bad idea, but we don't disrespect the President and start calling him names.

He has the right as President to make bad decisions. And that certainly doesn't mean that we cowtow in slavish obedience. In a democratic republic, the President and the Congress govern by the consent of the governed. We appeal to our elected officials, and lobby them for the common good. And we can disagree when we have to. But we are to do so with honor and respect, not with dishonor, disrespect and name calling. We are to do so over the things of GOD, not over the things of this world.