It's Been Almost 16 Years...

[Rippon]

A plane hits the ground at terminal velocity and it no longer looks like a plane.

You are in your usual sarcastic mood.

No one I quoted thought they would encounter a fully intact plane.

Notice they did say it was not a plane crash.

Yes, it looked nothing like the site of a plane crash.

Just that it didn't look like what they were expecting a crash site to look like.

It was strangely abnormal.

And how many crash sites had they seen when a plane went straight down into the ground at terminal velocity?

You believe the official report instead of common sense. That small hole was the site of a large jet airliner that went completely under the ground as much as 25 feet or more and that the earth sealed up after the plane went in?!

 

[TCassidy]

An airliner strikes a thin wall at 400 miles per hour and she think it would just stop there? It would not continue through the wall, and through the next wall, and the next, and the next?

A scientist? You gotta stop making this stuff up as you go along. She has an MA in Government an MS in Management and a PhD in World Politics.

Her only claim to fame is an anti Iraq war activist who couldn't defeat an unpopular Republican in the Virginia primary. She got a whopping 34% of the vote against his 66%.

As for her other claims. There are several pictures of plane debris including parts of the fuselage collected for the NTSB investigators.

Debris outside Pentagon.



Aircraft debris inside Pentagon.


Fuselage debris collected by NTSB.


More fuselage debris from inside Pentagon.



Just to the left of the man's knee is a high pressure turbine stage from a Boeing 757.


In case you don't know anything about jet engines here is a diagram. The part above may be either a high pressure compressor stage or a high pressure turbine stage. Most likely the former but possibly the latter as I am not sure how far from the man it is to get an exact perspective.

 

[TCassidy]

You believe the official report instead of common sense.

I believe the facts, not a bunch of stupid conspiracy theories invented by people who know nothing about aircraft or aircraft accidents.

That small hole was the site of a large jet airliner that went completely under the ground as much as 25 feet or more and that the earth sealed up after the plane went in?!

First, the hole was not small. It was exactly what you would expect from a 757 crashing. And it was not a "hole" in the strict meaning of the word. It was a depression caused by the impact.

And the fuselage did not go completely under the ground. It disintegrated on impact. The explosion/fire sent dirt and debris into the air. There is an old saying, "What goes up, must come down." The dirt and debris blown up into the air then came down and buried much of the wreckage.

One of the engines, a high-bypass turbo fan of the make and model used on the 757 was recovered 300 yards south of the crash site, which is consistent with the direction the plane was going on impact. By the way, 300 yards sounds like a long distance, but at 700-800 feet per second, which is how fast the plane was going on impact (about 500 mph), the engine would have come to a stop within a little over one second.

Those are the facts. Not wild eyed conspiracy theories. The facts.

 

[Rippon]

First, the hole was not small. It was exactly what you would expect from a 757 crashing.

From what I have read the hole was 5 -6 feet deep and 20 feet in diameter.

And the fuselage did not go completely under the ground. It disintegrated on impact.

That's your speculative theory.

The dirt and debris blown up into the air then came down and buried much of the wreckage.

Wow, you have a lot of faith in the official narrative.

 

[TCassidy]

That's your speculative theory.

No, it's not. I have seen what happens when a aircraft hits the ground at terminal velocity. All that is left is 50,000 little pieces of aluminum.

 

[Rippon]

Back to the Pentagon crash:

This is from Pilots for 9/11 Truth

"Hani Hanjour, took a 757, with zero time in type, did the maneuver described above, a 400 knot 330 degree spiraling dive at 2500 fpm, only gaining 30 knots, then 30 knots more descending from 2200 feet at full power, with a very steady hand as to not overshoot or hit the lawn, inside ground effect, at 460 knots impact speed, but was refused to rent a 172 cause he couldn't handle it at 65 knots? C'mon...sounds like a bad B movie."

 

[Rippon]

"Founded in August 2006, Pilots For 9/11 Truth is a growing organization of aviation professionals from around the globe. The organization has analyzed Data provided by the National Transportation Board (NTSB) for the Pentagon Attack, the events in Shanksville, PA and the World Trade Center Attack. The data does not support the government theory. The NTSB/FBI refuse to comment. Pilots For 9/11 Truth do not offer theory or point blame at this time. However, there is a growing mountain of conflicting information and data in which government agencies and officials refuse to acknowledge."

 

[Rippon]

Architects and Engineers For 9/11 Truth

"...independent researchers around the world have assembled a large body of evidence that overwhelmingly refutes the notion that airplane impacts and fires started the destruction of the Twin Towers and WTC 7. This body of evidence, most of which FEMA and NIST omitted from their reports, instead supports the troubling conclusion that all three skyscrapers were destroyed in a process known as 'controlled demolition,' where explosives and/or other devices are used to bring down a building."

"Nano-thermite (also known as super-thermite) is, simply put, an ultra-fine-grained (UFG) variant of thermite that can be formulated to be explosive by adding gas-releasing substances."

"Residues of thermite and nanothermite were discovered in the WTC dust, which indicate they were used to destroy the WTC skyscrapers."

 

[Rippon]

9/11 Hard Facts

"That there were well documented power outages and swaths of whole floor shutdowns and evacuations in the weeks leading up to 9/11, perfect opportunities to carry up and plant necessary explosives under the guise of 'maintenance' and/or 'retrofitting' work, only fuels well placed suspicions."

 

[Rippon]

My last four posts have not been refuted. Facts matter. This is the 16th year since 9/11 and many Americans will not come to their senses and realize the fraud that has been perpetrated upon them.

No one can look at all the incidents of that day and not realize that there are so many unanswered questions, contradictions, gaping holes of logic that defy belief. To believe the official government report is to be willfully blind.

I have quoted Architects and Engineers For 911 Truth. These are more than 2,500 people who are experts in their field. You owe it to yourself to dig in and examine for yourself.

Those three buildings that went down in NYC were caused by controlled demolition. You're only deceiving yourself to deny the obvious. And how, pray tell did Building Seven go down in 6.6 seconds when no "plane" rammed into it? Much of the focus has been on the other two buildings --but you have to come up with how the Salomon Brothers Building went down in mere seconds. If you haven't concluded that something is fishy you are a bit slow on the uptake.

Jet fuel gets to 700 or more degrees F. Steel melts at 2,500 degrees F. Fire not not bring those buildings down.

While you're at it check out Pilots For 911 Truth. Facts matter --the fiction of the 9/11 Commission Report is baloney.

There weren't 19 hijackers from abroad. The whole affair got us involved in several wars and many deaths and injuries. Deaths and injuries of our people and from those abroad. The War on Terror indeed! Members of own government are responsible.

The CIA needs to be disbanded, the FBI is corrupt and who knows how many (17?) other secret government agencies spending tax dollars and accountable to no one.

Facts : our government does not have a good track record.

FDR knew what Japan was up to ahead of time.

The "reason" for the Vietnam War was the phony Gulf of Tonkin CIA ploy.

The Warren Commission Report was a piece of junk.

Lies and deceit, nothing but lies an deceit have happened in front of your unseeing eyes in the last 76 at least.

 

[Rolfe]

Poncho must have a duplicate account.

 

[kyredneck]

Nick Berg Mossad agent

Remember this guy's 'beheading'? He was actually investigated by the FB I months before the attacks because one of the 911 Saudi conspirators, that Nick Berg had attended the OK flight school with, used and had the password for his laptop computer.

I was born at night but tweren't last night. I refuse to believe this was coincidence as the 'FBI' determined.

 

[TCassidy]

All of the lies and all of the myths exposed.

Debunking the 9/11 Myths: Special Report - The Planes

 

[Squire Robertsson]

Besides the facts brought out by Popular Mechanics linked to in post 93, the most persuasive argument me to me for 9/11 not happening with US government collusion is the sheer number of people who would need to have been involved. Among others there are:

• The workers who supposedly laid out the explosives in the towers. This is a highly skilled craft with a limited number of practitioners.
• The passengers and crew of the planes who never made it to their destinations.

Just a rough off the top of my head estimate the number of folks runs to something like 2,000 people. In this day and age, I'm supposed to believe that many people have kept their mouths shut or have disappeared off the face of the Earth?

 

[kyredneck]

All of the lies and all of the myths exposed.

Debunking the 9/11 Myths: Special Report - The Planes

The 'myth' of Nick Berg is not addressed.

 

[kyredneck]

Besides the facts brought out by Popular Mechanics linked to in post 93, the most persuasive argument me to me for 9/11 not happening with US government collusion is the sheer number of people who would need to have been involved. Among others there are:

• The workers who supposedly laid out the explosives in the towers. This is a highly skilled craft with a limited number of practitioners.
• The passengers and crew of the planes who never made it to their destinations.

Just a rough off the top of my head estimate the number of folks runs to something like 2,000 people. In this day and age, I'm supposed to believe that many people have kept their mouths shut or have disappeared off the face of the Earth?

I don't deny any of this. What I believe is the 'powers that be', if they never orchestrated it, at least had foreknowledge of it, and stood back and allowed it to happen.

Iraq: A War For Israel

[add]

But all you Dispies that hold to the perversion of Gen 12:3 are perfectly fine with this, right? As long as all this is done for God's chosen people, Israel after the flesh, we're gonna be blessed, right? If we don't fall on the sword for Israel after the flesh, we'll be cursed, right? Never mind that indications are that a foreign country was operating within our boundaries to help bring the events of 911 about with our own agencies cooperating with them.

 

[Rippon]

For the majority of you who still believe in the fantasy of the official reports just look at the obvious with open eyes.

The three buildings in NYC did not go down because of fire. Explosives were set up --that's what took all three down. All three perfectly taken down by controlled demolition. To deny this obvious fact you bight as well believe in Munchkins and that you live in the Land of Oz.

I have asked before, and I'll ask again --why did Building 7 go down in 6.6 seconds when no 'plane' had anything to do with it?

Why did Larry Silverstein, the owner of Building 7 say, on camera that it was going to be pulled? To pull it is a term used in demolitions of buildings.

How did steel melt in the other two buildings from "jet fuel" when it couldn't have been much higher than 700 degrees F. Steel melts at 2,500 or more degrees F. ?

Why did so many witnesses at the site --when it happened say they heard explosions?

How do you account for the crisis actor who gave the government line so quickly and concisely when he was so conveniently interviewed on the spot?

Did you know that an entire new staff came in and replaced the former staff in the writing of the Popular Mechanics "debunking" articles?

Unsaved people have eyes that don't see and ears that don't hear. The issue of 9/11 isn't necessarily about spirituality --but man, after this long when will you people wake up to perceive the obvious?

 

[Rippon]

Strange isn't it? Not a military plane in the sky in defense of anything that day. The Pentagon, with all the military power at it's command couldn't or wouldn't defend itself. (The latter.)

Strange isn't it? Willy Brown Mayor of S.F. at the time got a call from Condi Rice warning him not to come to NYC on September 11th because of possible security issues --perhaps a "terrorist attack" or something like that.

Strange isn't it? Twenty minutes before 47 floors of Building 7 came falling down in 6.6 seconds the BBC was announcing it had collapsed.

Strange isn't it? That so many Americans remain naive about the odd happenings of 9/11 after all these years. They rely on official government reports like it was the Gospel Truth. When reality is staring them right in the face. The Deep State is still going strong because weak, unsuspecting Americans refuse to face facts. Come on sheeple!

 

[HankD]

What!? AGAIN!?

I went through this for several YEARS after JFK assassination!

Here we go again!

HankD

 

[TCassidy]

What!? AGAIN!?

I went through this for several YEARS after JFK assassination!

Here we go again!

HankD

Yeah. Some people just lack the capacity for rational thought. All the issues have already been addressed, but the captive mind just ignores the facts and continues to spout the same disproved myths. It is actually kind of sad. When a Christian abandons all rationality he also abandons any probability he will ever be taken seriously again. His gospel witnessing will be relegated to the same category as his conspiracy myth. Just more irrationality.