Ivermectin, a Godsend

[Reynolds]

Recently Pfizer issued their findings that the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine is effective against Omnicron. They found it ineffective after 6 months in preventing infection, but effective against serious illness and death. They also found that with a booster it is 80% effective against Omicron.

Pfizer and BioNTech Provide Update on Omicron Variant | Pfizer

That is what I want to see with Ivermectin. How effective? What is the trial group? How did thise fare with the placebo?

I'm sure by now there are trials out there, I just don't know of any that confirm Ivermectin as an effective treatment.

"Effective against serious illness and death"???
What does that really mean? My Doc and his father, also a Dr, are fully PFIZER VAXED and boosted. Both got Covid a few weeks ago. Both got sick. Both took monocolonal antibodies.
He, a huge vax proponent in the past, told me that he is no as convinced about the efficacy of the vax as he was a few months ago.
How many unvaxed vs vaxed are getting seriously Ill or dying of Omicron? What's the vaxed vs unvaxed comparison?

 

[Reynolds]

One notch on the plunger, which has notches all the way up, per 50 lbs body weight for people is what I’ve read several times, for a daily dose. Usually recommend a 5 day treatment. I used to weigh my horses before determining the dose. I picked up four tubes just to have on hand, but have had no problem ordering the pills. I think it was about $67 for 20 pills, which is enough to fully treat 2 people.

Which plunger? Big difference between a 1 cc and a 5 cc.

 

[Wingman68]

Which plunger? Big difference between a 1 cc and a 5 cc.

can’t say to that, all tubes I ever had were the same notch wise.

 

[JonC]

"Effective against serious illness and death"??? What does that really mean?

It means the vaccine provides functional immunity but not sterilizing immunity.

The covid unvaccinated are dying at a rate over 11 times the covid vaccinated. They are also being hospitalized for serious issues related to covid at a higher rate.

 

[asterisktom]

I didn't mean it as a perjorative. I mean medicating one's self rather than someone who is educated in medicine determining the course of action.

Is there a difference between a person going to TSC and getting Ivermectin to treat his covid symptoms and a person going to a head shop and getting cannabis treat his anxiety?

I did not think you specifically meant to be insulting or anything, Jon, but your response assumes that doctors are always pure and unbiased in their courses of treatment. Now, especially, their credibility is seriously in doubt. All it takes is a wider spectrum of research to see that the medical business today is seriously coopted by threats or inducements to follow that party line.

I continue to be amazed how some countries - esp. the US - are making it so hard to get IVM and HCQ in order to push that pernicious Remdesivir.

BTW, have you read "The Real Anthony Fauci". It is a real eye-opener.

 

[Reynolds]

I did not think you specifically meant to be insulting or anything, Jon, but your response assumes that doctors are always pure and unbiased in their courses of treatment. Now, especially, their credibility is seriously in doubt. All it takes is a wider spectrum of research to see that the medical business today is seriously coopted by threats or inducements to follow that party line.

I continue to be amazed how some countries - esp. the US - are making it so hard to get IVM and HCQ in order to push that pernicious Remdesivir.

BTW, have you read "The Real Anthony Fauci". It is a real eye-opener.

It's all about power and money. Nothing more.

 

[JonC]

I did not think you specifically meant to be insulting or anything, Jon, but your response assumes that doctors are always pure and unbiased in their courses of treatment.

I do not believe we should assume doctors are biased or unbiased. But if I were to make assumptions, it would not be to assume the worst (thar doctors prescribing Ivermectin are biased, or that doctors recommending vaccines are biased).

I do believe there is a degree of hypocrisy on both sides, but perhaps more on the anti-covid-vax side. The use of Ivermectin despite warming that it is not effective with covid from the makers of the drug and from studies that I am aware of kinda points to this conclusion.

That said, I do hope Ivermectin proves to be an effective treatment.

Are you aware of any completed trials for using Ivermectin with covid?

 

[asterisktom]

It's all about power and money. Nothing more.

Yes. Why do more people not see this?

 

[JonC]

Yes. Why do more people not see this?

I think most people see that politics is involved and realize this includes money and power. The error some make is in believing it is all about money and power.

A couple of weeks ago I lost a cousin, her husband, and her brother to covid. They got the virus at the same time (were all "never-vaxers") and died a day apart (my cousin on Monday, her husband on Tuesday, and her brother on Wednesday).

I do believe the virus is worse when people have pre-existing conditions. But I do not believe it is "all about money and power".

The scientists who developed the vaccines did not gain monetary for the vaccine, nor did they gain power. The corporations did, but the work was not accomplished at a corporate level.

What you are implying is all of these men and women who have dedicated their lives to saving people by developing vaccines and medications are liers. I doubt this is true.

But I agree that political entities are using the virus and vaccines for their gain (some pro-vaccine and others anti-vaccine).

 

[Reynolds]

Yes. Why do more people not see this?

They are stupid.

 

[asterisktom]

I do not believe we should assume doctors are biased or unbiased. But if I were to make assumptions, it would not be to assume the worst (thar doctors prescribing Ivermectin are biased, or that doctors recommending vaccines are biased).

I do believe there is a degree of hypocrisy on both sides, but perhaps more on the anti-covid-vax side. The use of Ivermectin despite warming that it is not effective with covid from the makers of the drug and from studies that I am aware of kinda points to this conclusion.

That said, I do hope Ivermectin proves to be an effective treatment.

Are you aware of any completed trials for using Ivermectin with covid?

Yes, there are both controlled study trials as well as national-level trials. Several are cited in the book I referenced. Several countries have been doing quite well in their repurposing Ivermectin for the current outbreaks. Here is just one example I came across just this morning from the aforementioned book:

"Based on this study, on May 8, 2020, Peru—then under siege by a crushing COVID endemic— adopted ivermectin in its national guidelines. “Peruvian doctors already knew the medicine, widely prescribed it for parasites, and health authorities knew it was safe and were comfortable with it,” recalls Dr. Pierre Kory. COVID deaths dropped precipitously—by 14-fold—in the regions where the Peruvian government effectively distributed ivermectin. Reductions in deaths correlated with the extent of IVM distributions in all 25 states. In December 2020, Peru’s new president, under pressure from WHO, severely restricted IVM availability and COVID cases rebounded with deaths increasing 13-fold."

Page 64, "The Real Anthony Fauci"

Ivermectin works. Especially when applied in early stages. Fauci, in his studies of IVM, purposefully only used it on very late-term sufferers from Covid, setting it up thus for very poor results.

 

[JonC]

Yes, there are both controlled study trials as well as national-level trials. Several are cited in the book I referenced. Several countries have been doing quite well in their repurposing Ivermectin for the current outbreaks. Here is just one example I came across just this morning from the aforementioned book:

"Based on this study, on May 8, 2020, Peru—then under siege by a crushing COVID endemic— adopted ivermectin in its national guidelines. “Peruvian doctors already knew the medicine, widely prescribed it for parasites, and health authorities knew it was safe and were comfortable with it,” recalls Dr. Pierre Kory. COVID deaths dropped precipitously—by 14-fold—in the regions where the Peruvian government effectively distributed ivermectin. Reductions in deaths correlated with the extent of IVM distributions in all 25 states. In December 2020, Peru’s new president, under pressure from WHO, severely restricted IVM availability and COVID cases rebounded with deaths increasing 13-fold."

Page 64, "The Real Anthony Fauci"

Ivermectin works. Especially when applied in early stages. Fauci, in his studies of IVM, purposefully only used it on very late-term sufferers from Covid, setting it up thus for very poor results.

Thanks. I'm only interested in the controlled studies for Ivermectin as a treatment for covid. Can you link a couple?

 

[asterisktom]

The use of Ivermectin despite warming that it is not effective with covid from the makers of the drug and from studies that I am aware of kinda points to this conclusion.

Source? I have read the opposite.

 

[asterisktom]

Thanks. I'm only interested in the controlled studies for Ivermectin as a treatment for covid. Can you link a couple?

The results on a national level have much more validity than some easily-manipulated study done by corrupt scientists.
But, if you want, you can find several of what you want in the book I cited.

But if you are "only interested in the controlled studies" then I think I have nothing really to add. Other than, maybe, to ask why the successful results of several countries does not interest you.

 

[asterisktom]

I think most people see that politics is involved and realize this includes money and power. The error some make is in believing it is all about money and power.

A couple of weeks ago I lost a cousin, her husband, and her brother to covid. They got the virus at the same time (were all "never-vaxers") and died a day apart (my cousin on Monday, her husband on Tuesday, and her brother on Wednesday).

I do believe the virus is worse when people have pre-existing conditions. But I do not believe it is "all about money and power".

The scientists who developed the vaccines did not gain monetary for the vaccine, nor did they gain power. The corporations did, but the work was not accomplished at a corporate level.

What you are implying is all of these men and women who have dedicated their lives to saving people by developing vaccines and medications are liers. I doubt this is true.

But I agree that political entities are using the virus and vaccines for their gain (some pro-vaccine and others anti-vaccine).

Yes, there are still some principled and knowledgeable doctors. But the main players are influenced by Fauci, Gates, and the others.

 

[JonC]

Source? I have read the opposite.

Merck Statement on Ivermectin use During the COVID-19 Pandemic - Merck.com

 

[asterisktom]

Here are several success stories around the world.

Global adoption of COVID-19 early treatments

 

[JonC]

Yes, there are still some principled and knowledgeable doctors. But the main players are influenced by Fauci, Gates, and the others.

How do you know that the actual scientists who developed the vaccines were influenced by Fauci, Gates, and others?

 

[asterisktom]

Merck Statement on Ivermectin use During the COVID-19 Pandemic - Merck.com

It was created in 1975 by William Campbell and Satoshi Ōmura. Later Merck got involved in it. But because that company could not make enough money on it, the patent having expired, they designed a very pricey Ivermectin 2.0, so to speak. So, yea, it stands to reason that they would diss the original product.

 

[asterisktom]

How do you know that the actual scientists who developed the vaccines were influenced by Fauci, Gates, and others?

Good grief, bro. Its in the book. Read it. I would love to have your thoughts on it.