Thank you. Only by God's grace do I brace this culture!NiteShift said:You're right John. The army tries very hard to get it's people to behave in foreign lands. Not always successfully!
25 years is a long time. I admire your commitment
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Thank you. Only by God's grace do I brace this culture!NiteShift said:You're right John. The army tries very hard to get it's people to behave in foreign lands. Not always successfully!
25 years is a long time. I admire your commitment
NiteShift said:Regarding the man killed by a thrown piece of wood in 1967; the soldier who was invloved, Spc John Vaughn, was arrested by Korean police and tried in a Korean court.
Yes you are correct that we are all subject to judgement by God. But His judgement may not be the same as you think.
NiteShift said:In the case of the tank that killed two girls in 2002, it was judged to be an accident because it was...an accident.
but do you think an American soldier did that intentionally?
But His judgement may not be the same as you think.
John of Japan said:In our 25 years in Japan here, I've read about arrests and prosecution by the Japanese of many Americans over the years stupid enough to risk the extremely strict Japanese prison system. So I've been wondering about these charges by Eliyahu about the SOF in Korea.
My opinion--though I can't prove it--is that NK is the author of much of the resentment and hate being stirred up against Americans and American forces in SK. From what I see in the Japanese news, demonstrations by the radical left student movement are a main source of the discontent. Stirring up the students is a standard ploy by Communists. I know--my brother was a Communist agitator in the US in the 1970's.Eliyahu said:John, you must note that there is a considerable difference between how USFK deals with Korean people and how USF in Japan deals with Japanese people, even the SOFA agreement is different from that for Japan and for German quite a lot, which has caused a lot of anger, even though such discrimination has been reduced and the situation has been improved quite a lot since Dec 28 2000.
John of Japan said:My opinion--though I can't prove it--is that NK is the author of much of the resentment and hate being stirred up against Americans and American forces in SK. From what I see in the Japanese news, demonstrations by the radical left student movement are a main source of the discontent. Stirring up the students is a standard ploy by Communists. I know--my brother was a Communist agitator in the US in the 1970's.
So, Eliyahu, here is a personal question. Don't answer it if you don't want to. Are you personally grateful for how America defeated Japan and gave freedom to SK, and then defended her in the Korean Conflict? Or is that just so much water under the bridge to you?
So the US and British defeating the Japanese in the Phillipines, China, the Ryukyu islands, etc. didn't help Korea at all? Hmm. Kind of a "Korea-centric" view, methinks.Eliyahu said:I personally don't think US contribution to the independence of Korea very much, even though it was a part of the whole situation. There were considerable acitivites by Korean Resistance too. The tragedy following the division of Korea by US caused the disastor and the killing spree.
Everything tells us that what God didn't do or what the people didn't do according to the guidance of God causes tremendous problems, which are done by most politicians even today.
Eliyahu said:I am not sure whether you are talking about the same case as I mentioned. What was the punishment for him ? Do you know ?
Eliyahu said:I personally don't think US contribution to the independence of Korea very much, even though it was a part of the whole situation. There were considerable acitivites by Korean Resistance too. The tragedy following the division of Korea by US caused the disastor and the killing spree.
NiteShift said:No Eliyahu, I do not know what the soldier's punishment was.
Here is the AP new item from 1967:
South Korea Tries U.S. Soldier
CHONGJU, South Korea, Oct 30 (AP) -
US Army Spec 4, John L. Vaughn, 20, of
Douglasville, Ga., went on trial in Chongju
district Court today on a charge of inflicting
bodily injury resulting in the death of a
Korean man.
Vaughn was indicted Sept. 2. He is accused
of throwing a block of wood from a moving
truck July 23, hitting Lee Dok-shin, 59, who
was riding on a bicycle. Lee fell and suffered
fatal head injuries.
Vaugh, assigned to a missile artillery
battery, is the second American service-
man to be tried by a Korean court under
the US-Korean Status of Forces Agree-
ment effective since February.
Seems like if the US forces were as evil as Eliyahu says, we'd be out of Korea by now, like the Philippines decided we were persona non grata (not that they are better off now). Seems like the SK government (and I believe the majority of the people) still need us! :smilewinkgrin:fromtheright said:Niteshift,
Yeah, that's the same message I got from him. Never mind that the North Korean government is unmitigated evil and are (and were) the aggressors across that border. That's why I dropped the exchange (well actually, I guess, we both did).
Eliyahu, you still have not answered this. What do you think?John of Japan said:So the US and British defeating the Japanese in the Phillipines, China, the Ryukyu islands, etc. didn't help Korea at all? Hmm. Kind of a "Korea-centric" view, methinks.
What about the Korean Conflict? Could SK have beaten the NK Army and the Chinese without the US?
Good post, El Guero. "I must work the works of him who sent me while it is day. The night comes, when no man works."El_Guero said:The older generation still thanks the USA for bleeding for them.
The younger generation has a few discontents that truly have difficulty dealing with 'freedom of speech'. In the Korean culture, it is offensive to talk badly about older Koreans. It is not near as offensive to talk badly about Americans. IMHO this disparity allows many to vent upon Americans while allowing their elders freedom to beat into submission younger Koreans that disrespect their elders.
The pent up anger is such an irony. But, even greater is the ironic protests into the face of watter cannons & tear gas - but let a nice cold snow or rain start and the protesters quietly break up. I asked about that once, and the reply was that the 'acid rain can harm you, don't you know that?' Like water cannons don't break bones? Tear gas doesn't hurt? Riot batons don't cause concussions?
Oh well ... More American blood will be shed so that many more malcontents can become angry with America.
But, while the American light is still almost high - we need to reach the world for the lost. Soon, we will not be able to.
John of Japan said:Good post, El Guero. "I must work the works of him who sent me while it is day. The night comes, when no man works."
John of Japan said:So the US and British defeating the Japanese in the Phillipines, China, the Ryukyu islands, etc. didn't help Korea at all? Hmm. Kind of a "Korea-centric" view, methinks.
What about the Korean Conflict? Could SK have beaten the NK Army and the Chinese without the US?