Jerry Walls wicked and profane question about God

[SovereignGrace]

Sure--that's fine--I'm just saying that MacArthur seems to say Man can respond to light, and in doing so, more light will be given--even to the point of calling on Christ.

Well, if that's the point he's making, and in this instance, it does seem to be that way, he is flat out wrong.

So faith comes from hearing, and hearing by the word of Christ.[Romans 10:17NASB]

 

[SovereignGrace]

https://www.gty.org/library/sermons-library/45-13/reasons-for-the-wrath-of-god-part-4

MacArthur kinda wavers here.

That article has a date of July 12, 1981, so its a rather old article/sermon.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Well, if that's the point he's making, and in this instance, it does seem to be that way, he is flat out wrong.

So faith comes from hearing, and hearing by the word of Christ.[Romans 10:17NASB]

Literal hearing?

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

That article has a date of July 12, 1981, so its a rather old article/sermon.

You tell him Willis

 

[Yeshua1]

I found this on the soteriology 101 site...they quoted MacArthur as saying this, so its not directly from him, but them posting what they say he said. I am not saying they're lying, just clarifying...

==Dr. John MacArthur, in his message covering Romans 2:11-16 (mp3 45-20b), gives a summary of those who did not have the written law and have not heard the gospel:
“Creation, conduct, conscience, contemplation, what they do, how they deal with the good and bad in their own life and how they deal with it in the lives of others indicates that they know the law of God as written in them.
Now, here is the most important thing I’ve said yet. The sum of it is this: If they live up to that much light, and they accept that much light, God will reveal to them the full light of Jesus Christ.
I believe that with all my heart. You see, that’s what it says in Acts 17, “He is not far from us if we would feel after Him.” You see? If they would just take what they have and accept that. John 7:17 – mark it down. “If any man wills to do My Father’s Will, he shall know of the teaching.” If the willing heart is there, he’ll know. ” – John MacArthur

Personally, I think Dr. MacArthur swung and missed here.

The elect of God will in some fashion be given the Gospel, as God will use His sovereignty to bring that to pass!

 

[SovereignGrace]

The elect of God will in some fashion be given the Gospel, as God will use His sovereignty to bring that to pass!

Define 'some fashion'.

 

[SovereignGrace]

Literal hearing?

Well, ppl can be saved by reading the bible, too. But Wanda in a remote area that never a missionary has trodded, has never read a bible before, ever heard of the Christ, will come to saving faith in the Lord Jesus Christ.

Everything in man's salvation centers around the word of God, not some clouds, trees, moon, stars, sun, &c.

Faith comes solely via the word of God.[Romans 10:17]

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Well, ppl can be saved by reading the bible, too. But Wanda in a remote area that never a missionary has trodded, has never read a bible before, ever heard of the Christ, will come to saving faith in the Lord Jesus Christ.

Everything in man's salvation centers around the word of God, not some clouds, trees, moon, stars, sun, &c.

Faith comes solely via the word of God.[Romans 10:17]

How about Barbara with severe cerebral palsey or Joe in a vegetative state?

 

[JonShaff]

Well, ppl can be saved by reading the bible, too. But Wanda in a remote area that never a missionary has trodded, has never read a bible before, ever heard of the Christ, will come to saving faith in the Lord Jesus Christ.

Everything in man's salvation centers around the word of God, not some clouds, trees, moon, stars, sun, &c.

Faith comes solely via the word of God.[Romans 10:17]

I would make a more general statement....

"Faith comes by hearing the message of Christ."

 

[SovereignGrace]

I would make a more general statement....

"Faith comes by hearing the message of Christ."

I don't disagree with this, but you can find Him all over the bible, even in the OT.

 

[SovereignGrace]

How about Barbara with severe cerebral palsey or Joe in a vegetative state?

God will deal with them and not do them wrong. Now, if they have the stain of Original Sin, and all do through the fall of Adam, then what?

 

[Reynolds]

I found this on the soteriology 101 site...they quoted MacArthur as saying this, so its not directly from him, but them posting what they say he said. I am not saying they're lying, just clarifying...

==Dr. John MacArthur, in his message covering Romans 2:11-16 (mp3 45-20b), gives a summary of those who did not have the written law and have not heard the gospel:
“Creation, conduct, conscience, contemplation, what they do, how they deal with the good and bad in their own life and how they deal with it in the lives of others indicates that they know the law of God as written in them.
Now, here is the most important thing I’ve said yet. The sum of it is this: If they live up to that much light, and they accept that much light, God will reveal to them the full light of Jesus Christ.
I believe that with all my heart. You see, that’s what it says in Acts 17, “He is not far from us if we would feel after Him.” You see? If they would just take what they have and accept that. John 7:17 – mark it down. “If any man wills to do My Father’s Will, he shall know of the teaching.” If the willing heart is there, he’ll know. ” – John MacArthur

Personally, I think Dr. MacArthur swung and missed here.

I think he swings and misses quite a bit.

 

[SovereignGrace]

I think he swings and misses quite a bit.

I think he's off with his dispensationialism, but his soteriology is pretty good. But this thing concerns me. It was from 2008ish, so he could have change his stance.

 

[JonShaff]

I think he's off with his dispensationialism, but his soteriology is pretty good. But this thing concerns me. It was from 2008ish, so he could have change his stance.

while I respect his ministry, I'm corn-fused how he can use the same hermeneutic to develop a reformed Soteriology but have a premillennial pre-trib rapture stance. I wouldn't think that using the same methods for interpretation would lead you to those two conclusions. Just my thoughts.

 

[Iconoclast]

Getting back to the OP.....I endured an interview between Leighton , and Jerry...on Gods love.....More philosophy, try to advise God what He should have done....shameful.

 

[SovereignGrace]

while I respect his ministry, I'm corn-fused how he can use the same hermeneutic to develop a reformed Soteriology but have a premillennial pre-trib rapture stance. I wouldn't think that using the same methods for interpretation would lead you to those two conclusions. Just my thoughts.

Let's get back to Iconoclast's OP.

Sorry about the derailment, Brother.

 

[SovereignGrace]

Getting back to the OP.....I endured an interview between Leighton , and Jerry...on Gods love.....More philosophy, try to advise God what He should have done....shameful.

Where's the link?

#forkitover

 

[bluejx]

In a closed Zombie thread....this person was set forth with what was to be a supposed refutation of Calvinism. at around the 3:45 - 4:30 mark he asks his asinine question which was...

Could God be just if He passes over persons....{ who Walls believes God could save] but does not save them?? His wording is...that they are "His fallen Children"...He passes over them even though He could save them...then gets glory tormenting them in Hell.
This is the Kind of idiotic question that gets dragged out, time and time again by those who hate the truth of God.

The question is profane ...in that it poses the Thought that our Holy, Omniscient God....would not have made a perfectly, Holy , wise and just choice in saving the multitude He has indeed purposed and decreed to save.
This and all these imposters calling themselves traditionalists are taking the position of Paul's objector in Romans 9 and blaming God for man's sin, then putting forth that they themselves know better than God Himself.
What a shameful disgrace that such a person mouths his wicked objections against our great God.

Calvinism invites the question. Some Calvinist who deny that they are hyper-Calvinist affirm determinism. This essentially mean that God, by His eternal decree, has arbitrarily decided from before creation to save some and to eternally damn the greater number to hell. But not only this but everything that comes to pass is unchangeaby destined to occur by His design. So when Jeffrey Dommer ate his boyfriends, that was part of that design.

I think Calvinists should be honest and own the implications of their own doctrines.

John Wesley was right when he said Calvinism portrays God as more evil than Satan.

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[SovereignGrace]

Calvinism invites the question. Some Calvinist who deny that they are hyper-Calvinist affirm determinism. This essentially mean that God, by His eternal decree, has arbitrarily decided from before creation to save some and to eternally damn the greater number to hell. But not only this but everything that comes to pass is unchangeaby destined to occur by His design. So when Jeffrey Dommer ate his boyfriends, that was part of that design.

I think Calvinists should be honest and own the implications of their own doctrines.

John Wesley was right when he said Calvinism portrays God as more evil than Satan.

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Jeffrey Dahmer did what he did because he had a wicked heart. How dare you even allude to God being part of that.

 

[SovereignGrace]

Calvinism invites the question. Some Calvinist who deny that they are hyper-Calvinist affirm determinism. This essentially mean that God, by His eternal decree, has arbitrarily decided from before creation to save some and to eternally damn the greater number to hell. But not only this but everything that comes to pass is unchangeaby destined to occur by His design. So when Jeffrey Dommer ate his boyfriends, that was part of that design.

I think Calvinists should be honest and own the implications of their own doctrines.

John Wesley was right when he said Calvinism portrays God as more evil than Satan.

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John Wesley? Srsly? The goofball that believed we could attain sinless perfection in this life?

Bwahahahahahaha!!! Better get a better guy to slander us than that goofball.