JESUS body has received No DNA from Mary.

[Aaron]

According to the Bible, Jesus did not bring His own body from eternity. It was a body prepared for Him:

NKJV Heb 10:5 Therefore, when He came into the world, He said: "SACRIFICE AND OFFERING YOU DID NOT DESIRE, BUT A BODY YOU HAVE PREPARED FOR ME.

If He came with His own body from eternity (and where do we even read about such a thing in Scripture?) why would He have needed a human mother? Yet the angel said to Mary:

NKJV Luk 1:31 And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bring forth a Son, and shall call His name JESUS.

No idea there of an already-existing body from eternity being somehow placed in her womb.

(Sorry, I have had t cut out part of your post, in order for this post not to be larger than permitted on BB)

Do not forget, Heb 2:17 - Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.

 

[Aaron]

This has to be the most bizarre thread ever.

ditto

 

[Aaron]

Begat means gave birth to

Well, males can't give birth...so 'Abraham begat' can't mean that Abraham gave birth. It means, rather, 'proceeds from'. The Son proceeds from the Father. Jhn 8:42 - Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.

 

[Eliyahu]

Conception, as I understand it, happens at fertilisation. //]

You are WRONG! Ask Google or ChatGPT.

Can the conception be done by a surrogate mother? Yes!

Yes, conception and pregnancy can be achieved through a surrogate mother. [1]

How Surrogacy Works

• Gestational surrogacy: Doctors create an embryo in a lab using in vitro fertilization (IVF) with eggs and sperm from the intended parents or donors, then transfer it into the surrogate's uterus. The surrogate has no genetic tie to the baby

Another Question: Can a Surrogate mother conceive a baby from the embryo of other couple

Yes, a surrogate mother can conceive a baby from an embryo created by another couple. This occurs in gestational surrogacy, where an embryo formed via in vitro fertilization (IVF) is transferred to the surrogate’s uterus. The egg and sperm used to create the embryo typically come from the intended parents or donors, meaning the surrogate has no genetic connection to the child.
>>>>> Fertilization is done only between Egg and Sperm

Conception and Fertilization are totally different!!!! Even if Bible say Mary conceived 100 times, it doesn't guarantee that Mary's ovum was used for Body of Jesus.

No fertilisation occurs in the womb of a surrogate mother; that which is implanted into her womb is the result of fertilisation.//]

You are beating what I never claimed! There was no fertilization by the ovum of Mary! That's what I insist!
This is why Mt 1:20 says the one BORN in her is by the Holy Spirit. Fertilization was unnecessary for the body of Jesus as He came into her as the perfect human being! Jesus was BORN already on the uterus of Mary before His coming out of Mary!

Yes, His physical brain, like the rest of His physical being, was newly created in Mary's womb. But that doesn't mean that He only started to exist when Mary gave birth to Him. He is both fully God and fully Man. As God, He has existed from eternity past. It was through Him that everything was created://]

You are dividing God the Son between Divinity and Humanity. So, Jesus didn't have Humanity before Mary was born?
Your Mary is the Creator of Humanity of Jesus?

NKJV.Jhn 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Jhn 1:2 He was in the beginning with God.
Jhn 1:3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.

Verse 14 makes clear that "the Word" is Jesus Christ, and that He "became flesh", not that He had flesh before:

Jhn 1:14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.

That is not conception.

Do you not believe that Jesus is fully God? Does God the Father have a brain? Of course not, He is a spiritual being, and the brain is physical. Yet we read in the Bible that God the Father remembers, Just a few examples://]

Is your God headless? God the Son had His own body~! Your Jesus may start to exist with His body only after Mary,
but my Jesus had everything from Eternity!

NKJV 1Sa 1:19 Then they rose early in the morning and worshiped before the LORD, and returned and came to their house at Ramah. And Elkanah knew Hannah his wife, and the LORD remembered her.

Gen 8:1 Then God remembered Noah, and every living thing, and all the animals that were with him in the ark. And God made a wind to pass over the earth, and the waters subsided.

Gen 19:29 And it came to pass, when God destroyed the cities of the plain, that God remembered Abraham, and sent Lot out of the midst of the overthrow, when He overthrew the cities in which Lot had dwelt.

If God the Father can remember without a physical brain, why insist that God the Son could not remember existing before Abraham without a brain?
Only one. Where have I suggested that there is more than one Christ? There is not, and I have never said so.

Are you saying that the Hebrew in Genesis 1:27 actually means "His likeness of likeness?" I don't know Hebrew, but the verse says in English:

NKJV Gen 1:27 So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.

Looking in Strong's Concordance, I find no suggestion that the Hebrew actually means "likeness of likeness."//]

Read Genesis 1:27 in Hebrew:
וַיִּבְרָא אֱלֹהִים אֶת־הָאָדָם בְּצַלְמוֹ בְּצֶלֶם אֱלֹהִים בָּרָא אֹתוֹ זָכָר וּנְקֵבָה בָּרָא אֹתָם׃
Likeness wasn't ignored. God created Adam in His likeness, In His likeness God created him
Whose likeness was used for molding Adam? You never answer my question

And in doing so, you seem content to throw out of the Bible all the reference to the Son becoming flesh, such as John 1:14 and Hebrews 10:5.

I agree that Jesus is fully God. I agree too that in the Old Testament we read of Theophanies or Christophanies - preincarnate appearances of the Son of God. If He already had an actual body, why not just come to earth in that body? What was the need of a virgin conceiving and bearing a Son? Why would John write, "And the Word became flesh" if He has flesh already>

Word Himself was the Creator and Word Himself could create the body!
Don't think the Word as the human word.
Word Himself had the body, Life, and the Light before the sun was created (John 8:12).
If the Word became a flesh, then nothing from Mary was used for the flesh of Jesus, right?
If the part of Mary like ovum became flesh, then it's opposite to < Word became a Flesh> right?
Word became Flesh means < No Flesh was involved in the formation of the body of Jesus>
If the body of Mary became Flesh of Jesus, the Flesh became Flesh.
But Bible says Word became Flesh, no flesh of Mary was involved!
If you claim Word and Flesh of Mary became Flesh, you are claiming < Word+Flesh became Flesh> which is untrue and different from the Bible, right?
You may have technically avoided my questions. Genesis 18:1-16. Jehovah fully had a body and ate the meals.
Which Godhead was He?
Jesus came down from the Heaven ( John 8:38) Did Mary come down from the Heaven?
You claim the new brain formed by the ovum of Mary can remember the experience with Abraham which the new brain had never experienced before. If you claim such argument, I cannot change your reasoning. Go ahead with your belief! I don't force anyone to believe my discovery and thoughts here.

Eliyahu

 

[Eliyahu]

Well, males can't give birth...so 'Abraham begat' can't mean that Abraham gave birth. It means, rather, 'proceeds from'. The Son proceeds from the Father. Jhn 8:42 - Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.

That's totally different subject.
I cannot change your brain

Eliyahu

 

[Anthony Pritchard]

Well, males can't give birth...so 'Abraham begat' can't mean that Abraham gave birth.

Excellent observation!

 

[Anthony Pritchard]

Can the conception be done by a surrogate mother? Yes!

You are confusing conception with gestation, and your argument does not follow either Scripture or basic biology. A surrogate mother does not “conceive” the child. She gestates the child. Conception happens at fertilization, not implantation. You are confusing two different biological events and then trying to use an appeal to authority to cover the mistake. The biological reality is that a genetically distinct, living organism is formed at the moment of fertilization. Reclassifying "conception" to mean implantation changes clinical terminology, but it does not change the physical, underlying biological event that took place days earlier. So I asked google your question, and here is the answer: a surrogate mother gestates the pregnancy rather than providing the egg for conception.

 

[Eliyahu]

Do not forget, Heb 2:17 - Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.

Jesus was exactly the same as all the other people of Adam's race as He had the same body as the body of Adam before the Fall.
But Jesus had no sin in Him while His brethren had sin. Death passed upon His brethren ( Romans 5:12) but no death was passed upon Jesus. If He had death factors in Him, He couldn't say < I am the way, the truth, the LIFE>

Eliyahu

 

[Anthony Pritchard]

Jesus was exactly the same as all the other people of Adam's race as He had the same body as the body of Adam before the Fall.
But Jesus had no sin in Him

You say Jesus was “exactly the same as all the other people of Adam’s race as as He had the same body as the body of Adam before the Fall” and then immediately say Jesus was not the same because He had no sin.

Those two statements cannot coexist. They cancel each other out and you appear oblivious to your own contradiction.

 

[John of Japan]

You can be quiet. I won't wake you up! Matthew chapter 1 has 40 times of gennao. I hope you can count more than 16. Count it again!
All begat is translated from gennao verb. Begat means gave birth to.
Eliyahu

I have to apologize. You are right. I made a rookie mistake and didn't notice that my search engine was saying "verses" instead of "times."

Having said that, your Christological error is much, much worse. All orthodox churches have held to the hypostatic union doctrine of Christ for over 1600 years, and most before that, before the heresies of the 19th century. The hypostatic union says that Jesus is 100% human and 100% God. You are making a terrible error with your imaginative Christology.

 

[Eliyahu]

I have to apologize. You are right. I made a rookie mistake and didn't notice that my search engine was saying "verses" instead of "times."

Having said that, your Christological error is much, much worse. All orthodox churches have held to the hypostatic union doctrine of Christ for over 1600 years, and most before that, before the heresies of the 19th century. The hypostatic union says that Jesus is 100% human and 100% God. You are making a terrible error with your imaginative Christology.

Upto 1950, all the theologians didn't have the right Life Science.
Therefore we have to review this matter newly in 21st century because there was not so much clear discussions during 1950-2000.
I don't deny Virgin Birth, don't deny the Deity of Jesus, don't deny Trinity, don't deny Second Coming of Jesus, don't deny Word became Flesh. I believe Jesus was 100% human and 100% God
1) Do you believe Death passed upon Mary according to Romans 5:12?
2) Do you believe Death passed upon Jesus as well? or Do you believe Death didn't pass upon Jesus?
3) Do you believe 50% of body and character of Jesus resemble Mary and 50% God?
4) Do you believe Word became Flesh? ( John 1:14) or Flesh became Flesh?

I hope you can answer all

Eliyahu

 

[37818]

Was the brain cells of Jesus older than Mary or not?

Not.