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Joe the Plumber Discussions
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Stupid. Way to overlook what McCain was saying.BaptistBeliever said:
McCain wasn't talking about Joe specifically; he was talking about you, me, and however many other Americans who are like Joe; i.e., small business, contractors, make less than $250,000 a year, etc., etc.
The fact that people are trying to discredit someone who is an example of many millions of Americans, means that they don't care about you or me or the rest of us "little guys."
Get your focus on the important issues, like how our president is going to lead us. If he's going to allow his staff to discredit and otherwise ruin someone like Joe, do you actually believe he'll think twice about doing it to me? Or you?
What they're doing to Joe should scare the crud out of all of us. But instead, we're focusing on Joe's "inadequacies."
Give that some serious thought before you respond.
Truer words were never spoken.
All this O worship is going to lead us straight into 3rd world status if there's not a vast awakening 'fore the election. Then all you who are so adamant to vilify the O vilifiers, will join the O vilifiers, but then it will be too late - he won't give a rip for you then since your usefulness to him will be bovine dung at best.
NaasPreacher (C4K)
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LadyEagle said:
You honestly think that Obama, a Dem congress, and 2/3 of the states are going to overturn the constitution?!?!?!?!
We survived a Civil War and 1968, but we can't survive Obama??
Did Barack "Spread the Wealth" Obama Just Blow the Election?
October 16, 2008 11:37 AM ET | James Pethokoukis | Permanent Link | Print
No. Really. You're kidding me. Barack Obama actually told that Joe the Plumber guy that he wants to "spread the wealth around." What, did Obama just get done reading the Wikipedia entry on Huey "Share the Wealth" Long or something? Was he somehow channeling that left-wing populist from the Depression? Talk about playing into the most extreme stereotype of your party, that it is infested with socialists.
A while back I chatted with a University of Chicago professor who was a frequent lunch companion of Obama's. This professor said that Obama was as close to a full-out Marxist as anyone who has ever run for president of the United States. Now, I tend to quickly dismiss that kind of talk as way over the top. My working assumption is that Obama is firmly within the mainstream of Democratic politics. But if he is as free with that sort of redistributive philosophy in private as he was on the campaign trail this week, I have no doubt that U of C professor really does figure him as a radical. And after last night's debate, a few more Americans might think that way, too. McCain's best line: "Now, of all times in America, we need to cut people's taxes. We need to encourage business, create jobs, not spread the wealth around."
And by the way, I just noticed that the IBD/TIPP poll, the most accurate in 2004, has McCain down by just 3 points. If the contest is perceived by the voters as a contest between a wealth redistributor and a wealth creator, then it could be a long night come Nov. 4. This is still a center-right country, gang. Note this Gallup poll from June:
When given a choice about how government should address the numerous economic difficulties facing today's consumer, Americans overwhelmingly—by 84% to 13%—prefer that the government focus on improving overall economic conditions and the jobs situation in the United States as opposed to taking steps to distribute wealth more evenly among Americans.
There you go.'''
http://www.usnews.com/blogs/capital...-the-wealth-obama-just-blow-the-election.html
The reason J the P is hated, he made Obama look bad.
And the libes are angry. Very angry indeed.
1) If the level of Obama worship displayed on this board is any indication of the population in general, I'd say the possibility is extremely likely.C4K said:
2) People back then had more common sense, pride, and independence than is in vogue today, so yes, I'd agree with this statement.
Should God show mercy, as opposed to justice, to this country, we'll never find out.
C4K said:
It'll took a generation to undo what Carter did. And Obama's SC appointments may just be what the constitution doesn't need.
NaasPreacher (C4K)
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just-want-peace said:
The 'worship' if you want to use inflammatory language, goes both ways.
I am seriously shocked that anyone thinks that Obama is going to try to repeal the entire Constitution! I have NO use for the man - but that is taking scare tactics to a new low.
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C4K said:
It is amazing isn't it?
How dare “Joe the Liberal Politician” suggest “Joe the plumber” isn’t really even a plumber because of not having a license! What rhetoric! Plumbing is his trade; he doesn’t need a government institution to issue him documentation declaring his craftsmanship.
First, the only thing he would need a license for is to run a business and ANYONE who wishes to be a licensed plumber could take a class for three days to prepare for a test, go and pass that test, and succeed in getting such a license. This license amounts to little more than a license to charge customers taxes and report these taxes to the state while operating HIS OWN business.
Joe Biden ONLY shows how out of touch he is with the struggling blue collar worker that is trying to get ahead. “Isn’t really a plumber.” !!! What a display of rhetoric and ignorance; not to mention an insult to every hard working blue collar worker in this country!
Second, “IF” Joe the plumber were considering paying $250,000 or so for a plumbing business he would simply be paying for a name, a reputation, contracted and established work opportunities. N
NE in their “right” mind would pay that much money unless there were substantial money to be made. THE POINT IS, if Joe started out with a couple of guys and “began to grow” he could EASILY start approaching the $250,000 a year “PENALTY TAX” where under OBAMA’S plan the government would then start reaching into HIS back pocket, take HIS money, and forcefully put a hardship on him while sharing “HIS” wealth.
What rhetoric to insinuate Joe then needs to be patriotic at this point and should accept HIS money being taken so it can be frivolously spent by the government as they pass it around while sharing “hard working… striving to get ahead… Joe the plumber’s wealth.”
This is the point! Why do so many not see through these smokescreens and rhetoric that the Democrats present? Oh, let me answer this question: because they want Joe the "hard working plumber’s" money! Shame, shame…
First, the only thing he would need a license for is to run a business and ANYONE who wishes to be a licensed plumber could take a class for three days to prepare for a test, go and pass that test, and succeed in getting such a license. This license amounts to little more than a license to charge customers taxes and report these taxes to the state while operating HIS OWN business.
Joe Biden ONLY shows how out of touch he is with the struggling blue collar worker that is trying to get ahead. “Isn’t really a plumber.” !!! What a display of rhetoric and ignorance; not to mention an insult to every hard working blue collar worker in this country!
Second, “IF” Joe the plumber were considering paying $250,000 or so for a plumbing business he would simply be paying for a name, a reputation, contracted and established work opportunities. N
NE in their “right” mind would pay that much money unless there were substantial money to be made. THE POINT IS, if Joe started out with a couple of guys and “began to grow” he could EASILY start approaching the $250,000 a year “PENALTY TAX” where under OBAMA’S plan the government would then start reaching into HIS back pocket, take HIS money, and forcefully put a hardship on him while sharing “HIS” wealth. What rhetoric to insinuate Joe then needs to be patriotic at this point and should accept HIS money being taken so it can be frivolously spent by the government as they pass it around while sharing “hard working… striving to get ahead… Joe the plumber’s wealth.”
This is the point! Why do so many not see through these smokescreens and rhetoric that the Democrats present? Oh, let me answer this question: because they want Joe the "hard working plumber’s" money! Shame, shame…
C4K said:
Get over your shock, Roger, the man is evil.
The Obama campaign intimidated the Democratic caucus and voided out their votes so that he would steal the nomination.
Obama sat under black liberation theology for over 20 years under Jeremiah Wright.
Obama "pals" around with terrorists.
Obama campaigned for a terrorist in Kenya.
Obama believes it's okay to murder unborn babies in the womb.
Obama voted to murder babies outside of the womb.
Obama believes in spreading the wealth around to take earnings from one citizen and give to those who won't work.
Obama's "ideals" are straight from Communist ideology.
Obama's ACORN has defrauded our free election process and will win this election by fraud.
Obama's radical islamic followers think he is the messiah.
The Obama campaign intimidates average citizens who disagree with him.
All of these are topics that have been discussed on this board and documented.
Yet, you, Roger have the audacity to tell me I'm employing "a new low" in scare tactics?
One would have thought you would have been shocked by some of Obama's deeds and scare tactics and intimidation on ordinary citizens, things that all Americans should be shocked over - not over something I posted. Really.
This election is about to become the biggest fraud in American history and our nation and Constitution are going up in flames before the world, but you're shocked over something I post?
You give me way too much credit, Sir. I'm not running for President.
NaasPreacher (C4K)
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LadyEagle said:
I am - but will not buy the line that he is going to dismantle the Constitution. No way, no how.
BTW, very few of your facts are proved and documented. I will give you credit for four of them.
Obama sat under black liberation theology for over 20 years under Jeremiah Wright.
Obama believes it's okay to murder unborn babies in the womb.
Obama voted to murder babies outside of the womb.
Obama believes in spreading the wealth around to take earnings from one citizen and give to those who won't work.
And indeed, those are enough to oppose him for election.
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LadyEagle said:
I'll take one exception to this. It ain't over till it's over. The poles have been wrong before. Keep the hope.
Pray with me that good, "hard working" people will come out and vote for what they believe in. And, if we are handed the terrible leadership of Obama, well maybe this country needs a lesson in what won't work. Then maybe we can get on the right track. There is always hope.
NaasPreacher (C4K)
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Benjamin said:
Amen - maybe Joe and the rest of us, including the GOP, need a shock to wake us all up.
Benjamin said:
Do you mean the last eight years have not provided enough of a lesson of what will not work?
LadyEagle said:
The Conservative Supremes no less.
Benjamin said:
Can you give me examples of some of your fears?
Crabtownboy said:
Well sure, and to stay on topic, Joe, who won't bother to start a plumbling business, won't end up hiring the 4-5 guys that would otherwise have a job. Neither would Ben and his buddies, so we end up with even more people out of work. Now, the Obama government is going to need more money, so they start taxing Joe and Ben at even a lower income bracket; and Joe, Ben and all their hardworking buddies can't afford to put anymore of their money into the economy and the downward spiral gets worse.
How dare “Joe the Liberal Politician” suggest “Joe the plumber” isn’t really even a plumber because of not having a license! What rhetoric! Plumbing is his trade; he doesn’t need a government institution to issue him documentation declaring his craftsmanship.
First, the only thing he would need a license for is to run a business and ANYONE who wishes to be a licensed plumber could take a class for three days to prepare for a test, go and pass that test, and succeed in getting such a license. This license amounts to little more than a license to charge customers taxes and report these taxes to the state while operating HIS OWN business.
Joe Biden ONLY shows how out of touch he is with the struggling blue collar worker that is trying to get ahead. “Isn’t really a plumber.” !!! What a display of rhetoric and ignorance; not to mention an insult to every hard working blue collar worker in this country!
Second, “IF” Joe the plumber were considering paying $250,000 or so for a plumbing business he would simply be paying for a name, a reputation, contracted and established work opportunities. N
What rhetoric to insinuate Joe then needs to be patriotic at this point and should accept HIS money being taken so it can be frivolously spent by the government as they pass it around while sharing “hard working… striving to get ahead… Joe the plumber’s wealth.”
This is the point! Why do so many not see through these smokescreens and rhetoric that the Democrats present? Oh, let me answer this question: because they want Joe the "hard working plumber’s" money! Shame, shame…
They might enjoying spending Joe, Ben, and all their hardworking buddies money for the short time being, but when the money begins to run low, what then? This is and example of the lesson I'm talking about. Can't continually add more sponges and eventually (sooner than later under Obama) not soak up all the overspill.