Galatians 5:22 Faithfulness is not the same as faith. As a result of faith, we begin in the Spirit (Galatians 3:2-3).
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John 1:12-13 revisited.
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Brightfame52
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But Gal 5:22 says Faith is a fruit of the Spirit. Do you deny that ?
Silverhair
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Fruit of the Spirit
The word “fruit” is singular, indicating that these qualities constitute a unity, all of which should be found in a believer who lives under the control of the Spirit.
Test your faith by your works. The fruit/works believers should have in their lives is listed in Gal_5:22-23. These are contrasted with the works of the flesh Gal_5:19-21
Mat_3:8 Joh_15:2; *Joh_15:5 Rom_8:5; Heb_12:11 Jas_3:17-18
Brightfame52
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So are you telling me that Faith is not a fruit of the Spirit as per Gal 5:22 ? So is it from the flesh ?
Silverhair
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Faithfulness is a fruit of the Spirit for those that already believe just as love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, gentleness and self-control are.
It really is to bad that you fight so hard against the word of God. Your continued denial of His word does make me question just how serious you are about finding the truth.
Brightfame52
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So are you saying Faith isnt a fruit of the Spirit according to Gal 5:22 ? Now who is denying Gods plain word ?
Silverhair
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Do you actually read a post before you respond?
The word “fruit” is singular, indicating that these qualities constitute a unity, all of which should be found in a believer who lives under the control of the Spirit.
Test your faith by your works. The fruit/works believers should have in their lives is listed in Gal_5:22-23. These are contrasted with the works of the flesh Gal_5:19-21
Gal 5:22 is not faith to believe but "faithfulness" in living the Christian life.
(NASB 95) But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,
(NET+) But the fruit of the SpiritN41 is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,
(NIV 02) But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,
NKJV-rs/) But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,
(NRSV/) By contrast, the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, generosity, faithfulness,
(UASV+) But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,
So answer your own question BF, "Now who is denying Gods plain word ?"
John 1:12-13 NASB
But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name, who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of a man, but of God.
We now have 5 pages and 87 posts presenting, supposedly, insightful interpretations of John 1:12-13.
Here is my supposedly insightful interpretation:
"As many as received Him" refers to "those who believe in His (Christ's) name. Thus they accepted as truth the gospel of Christ.
"He gave the right to become" refers to crediting the person's faith as righteousness. Only those whose faith He credits as righteousness have the "right" to become born anew children of God.
This spiritual rebirth was not physical rebirth, of blood, and was not initiated by human lust or will, but by God alone.
The close coupling of receiving the right to become, and being born by the will of God indicates a rapid sequence of events, with no discernible delay between receiving the right (under the New Covenant) and becoming a spiritual child of God.
But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name, who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of a man, but of God.
We now have 5 pages and 87 posts presenting, supposedly, insightful interpretations of John 1:12-13.
Here is my supposedly insightful interpretation:
"As many as received Him" refers to "those who believe in His (Christ's) name. Thus they accepted as truth the gospel of Christ.
"He gave the right to become" refers to crediting the person's faith as righteousness. Only those whose faith He credits as righteousness have the "right" to become born anew children of God.
This spiritual rebirth was not physical rebirth, of blood, and was not initiated by human lust or will, but by God alone.
The close coupling of receiving the right to become, and being born by the will of God indicates a rapid sequence of events, with no discernible delay between receiving the right (under the New Covenant) and becoming a spiritual child of God.
Brightfame52
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So are you saying Faith isnt a fruit of the Spirit according to Gal 5:22 ? Now who is denying Gods plain word ? Can you explain how a person with the Holy Spirit fruit of faithfulness, didnt have the fruit of Faith ?