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Featured John 3:16, The Meaning of "kosmos"

Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by ThyWordIsTruth, Aug 27, 2020.

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  1. ThyWordIsTruth

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    I’m promoting you to Archcherub


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    Repentance is a synonym for faith. It is not a work.


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    have you read Mark 1:15? "repentance AND faith"!
     
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    I know this is not the place for textual criticism, and it is for the true meaning of "kosmos" in John 3:16. Speaking of "faithful" translations, what of 1 Timothy 3:16 (God was manifested in the flesh), and 1 John 5:7 (the Father, the Word and the Holy Spirit, and these Three are one)? where most "modren" versions have corrupted both places? NWT might not be a "tool" for the conversion of anyone for us humans, but there is no limits on what the Almighty can do.

    I know of a missionary in India who was handing out Gospel tracts on a train. A staunch hindu took it and tore it and threw it out of the window. A small piece of this tract was picked up by a farmer boy, and all it said were the words, "I am the Bread of Life". These words made him ask his village leaders, of whom did they speak. They knew it was about Jesus, but simply told the boy to forget about it. He could not as a desire burned in him to know. In the next village he found some missionaries, who he asked the same question. They saw the opportunity to tell him about Jesus Christ, and he was saved! With God ALL things are POSSIBLE!
     
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    So... you only asked and pursued my answer to be quarrelsome. You've been moving the goalposts with every post. As you well know, I used John 1:1 as an example (the word "like" should have been more clear).

    Secondly, the "I am the bread of life" quote getting into the hands of the Hindu person is different than reading a hopelessly flawed translation. Your story wouldn't work if the Hindu had received the NWT's John 1:1 where Jesus is claimed, falsely, to be a god.

    Again, you're mixing apples and oranges... as well as a few brussels sprouts in your desire to simply be quarrelsome while defending an ungodly work masquerading as a "translation."

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    I cannot waste any more time discussing this with you, as it is clear that you really don't understand what I am saying.
     
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    Textual families of different readings are in evidence. To claim God originated every alternate reading would be to deny the immutability of God and His word.
     
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    Can you explain further? The issue was not the different textual families, but the NWT.

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    Well... at least you won't be trying to defend the NWT, so that's a plus.

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    ALL translations are products of mere human beings!
     
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    I don’t know that any reformed would disagree.

    The verse clearly states that those who believe will have eternal life.

    Again, that really isn’t the issue.

    The real issue is if a person can of their own innate ability without any influence by God, believe.

    I do not know a single Baptist who would say that person has such ability.

    What some teach is a prevenient (preceding) grace. This is not found in the Scriptures.

    All others must teach some form of the doctrines of Grace.
     
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    No it is not a synonym!

    It is the response to the endowment of faith.

    One must have a reason to “turn around” changing the direction and purpose for which they were originally headed.

    Repentance means “turn around.”
     
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    So, ultimately, in your view, there is no true assurance of salvation because individual election is conditional upon human faith.
     
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    On and on folks, misrepresentation after misrepresentation.
    Where does our assurance of salvation come from? What does scripture say. Human faith or the protected faith of those born anew?
     
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    You didn’t answer the question, Van.

    You claim “our, my, mine, your...” faith as not a gift from God but innate in every human.

    From such human faith comes assurance?

    Nope
     
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    The issues of the NWT is off topic to this thread.
     
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    It was brought up by someone posting the use in leading someone to the Lord.

    The NWT is deeply flawed (imo).

    I personally would not want to rely upon it presenting truthful renderings.
     
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    Here is the "non-answer" repeated once again:
    On and on folks, misrepresentation after misrepresentation.
    Where does our assurance of salvation come from? What does scripture say. Human faith or the protected faith of those born anew?

    Notice the totally off topic posts just keep coming to hide the fact John uses "kosmos" to refer to mankind, or the corrupt value system of fallen mankind.
     
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