John 3:16, The Meaning of "kosmos"

[ThyWordIsTruth]

Comes from the same word where we get our English word cosmetics. Because when a woman gets up in the mornings she uses cosmetics to create order out of chaos.

The meaning is that Satan has an organized system in place in the fallen world, the kosmos.

 

[Sai]

I know of the differences in the families of manuscripts. However, it is apples and oranges. The different textual families do not deny the tenants of the faith while the NWT does.

The Archangel

I’m promoting you to Archcherub


Joy unspeakable full of glory

 

[Sai]

Repentance and salvation are the same coin.

One may have “worldly sorrow” but that is not repentance.

The Holy Spirit’s responsibility is to bring conviction, judgement, and righteousness. Without those three there can be no true repentance/salvation.

That remembered, it is also important to keep in mind that not everyone will express repentance by signs of remorse.

Some have acknowledgement and determination.

Some have depression and despondency.

Some have hand clapping jumping for joy release.

But without true repentance there is no salvation.

God does not save so one can keep going the same direction.

Repentance means, turn around and go the other way.

Repentance is a synonym for faith. It is not a work.


Joy unspeakable full of glory

 

[ThyWordIsTruth]

Repentance is a synonym for faith

have you read Mark 1:15? "repentance AND faith"!

 

[ThyWordIsTruth]

It would have to depend on the translation. The New World Translation (NWT) is not just an imperfect translation in that it never attempts to faithfully translate the original languages. The prevailing idea in the NWT is that Jesus is god-like, but certainly not God. So, the NWT would be in a vastly different category than the KJV, NASB, NLT, ESV, etc. So it is far less likely the NWT would be a tool of conversion.

The Archangel

I know this is not the place for textual criticism, and it is for the true meaning of "kosmos" in John 3:16. Speaking of "faithful" translations, what of 1 Timothy 3:16 (God was manifested in the flesh), and 1 John 5:7 (the Father, the Word and the Holy Spirit, and these Three are one)? where most "modren" versions have corrupted both places? NWT might not be a "tool" for the conversion of anyone for us humans, but there is no limits on what the Almighty can do.

I know of a missionary in India who was handing out Gospel tracts on a train. A staunch hindu took it and tore it and threw it out of the window. A small piece of this tract was picked up by a farmer boy, and all it said were the words, "I am the Bread of Life". These words made him ask his village leaders, of whom did they speak. They knew it was about Jesus, but simply told the boy to forget about it. He could not as a desire burned in him to know. In the next village he found some missionaries, who he asked the same question. They saw the opportunity to tell him about Jesus Christ, and he was saved! With God ALL things are POSSIBLE!

 

[The Archangel]

I know this is not the place for textual criticism, and it is for the true meaning of "kosmos" in John 3:16. Speaking of "faithful" translations, what of 1 Timothy 3:16 (God was manifested in the flesh), and 1 John 5:7 (the Father, the Word and the Holy Spirit, and these Three are one)? where most "modren" versions have corrupted both places? NWT might not be a "tool" for the conversion of anyone for us humans, but there is no limits on what the Almighty can do.

I know of a missionary in India who was handing out Gospel tracts on a train. A staunch hindu took it and tore it and threw it out of the window. A small piece of this tract was picked up by a farmer boy, and all it said were the words, "I am the Bread of Life". These words made him ask his village leaders, of whom did they speak. They knew it was about Jesus, but simply told the boy to forget about it. He could not as a desire burned in him to know. In the next village he found some missionaries, who he asked the same question. They saw the opportunity to tell him about Jesus Christ, and he was saved! With God ALL things are POSSIBLE!

So... you only asked and pursued my answer to be quarrelsome. You've been moving the goalposts with every post. As you well know, I used John 1:1 as an example (the word "like" should have been more clear).

Secondly, the "I am the bread of life" quote getting into the hands of the Hindu person is different than reading a hopelessly flawed translation. Your story wouldn't work if the Hindu had received the NWT's John 1:1 where Jesus is claimed, falsely, to be a god.

Again, you're mixing apples and oranges... as well as a few brussels sprouts in your desire to simply be quarrelsome while defending an ungodly work masquerading as a "translation."

The Archangel

 

[ThyWordIsTruth]

So... you only asked and pursued my answer to be quarrelsome. You've been moving the goalposts with every post. As you well know, I used John 1:1 as an example (the word "like" should have been more clear).

Secondly, the "I am the bread of life" quote getting into the hands of the Hindu person is different than reading a hopelessly flawed translation. Your story wouldn't work if the Hindu had received the NWT's John 1:1 where Jesus is claimed, falsely, to be a god.

Again, you're mixing apples and oranges... as well as a few brussels sprouts in your desire to simply be quarrelsome while defending an ungodly work masquerading as a "translation."

The Archangel

I cannot waste any more time discussing this with you, as it is clear that you really don't understand what I am saying.

 

[37818]

To clarify: The different textual traditions are an issue? Are you considering that one of the traditions does not faithfully represent the Word of God?

The Archangel

Textual families of different readings are in evidence. To claim God originated every alternate reading would be to deny the immutability of God and His word.

 

[The Archangel]

Textual families of different readings are in evidence. To claim God originated every alternate reading would be to deny the immutability of God and His word.

Can you explain further? The issue was not the different textual families, but the NWT.

The Archangel

 

[The Archangel]

I cannot waste any more time discussing this with you, as it is clear that you really don't understand what I am saying.

Well... at least you won't be trying to defend the NWT, so that's a plus.

The Archangel

 

[ThyWordIsTruth]

Textual families of different readings are in evidence. To claim God originated every alternate reading would be to deny the immutability of God and His word.

ALL translations are products of mere human beings!

 

[ThyWordIsTruth]

Well... at least you won't be trying to defend the NWT, so that's a plus.

The Archangel

 

[agedman]

I am not sure why a mystery element must be applied to simple and clear statements that God has not intended to be mysterious. He makes simple statements of what he has done and what he will do, and sometimes he even tells us why he did it. Such is the case in Jn 3. He sent his son because he loved the world, he said. How simple is that? He said he loved it a lot. He sent the best thing he had to save it. Some of you try to tell others of us that he did not mean that. He then says he will save anyone/everyone who believes in him. This is consistent throughout all the New Testament. Then you throw something into the mix that is neither in the text and most people have never even heard of; prevenient grace. What in the world is that? It is not something that God wants us to know anything about because he did not say anything about it. It muddies the water. It is intended to make people look scholarly, but what it does is shows a man is justifying his unbelief of simple words and making the texts of scriptures conform to his own presuppositions and notions. It is not faith in what is said. Jn 3 is not a parable.

I don’t know that any reformed would disagree.

The verse clearly states that those who believe will have eternal life.

Again, that really isn’t the issue.

The real issue is if a person can of their own innate ability without any influence by God, believe.

I do not know a single Baptist who would say that person has such ability.

What some teach is a prevenient (preceding) grace. This is not found in the Scriptures.

All others must teach some form of the doctrines of Grace.

 

[agedman]

Repentance is a synonym for faith. It is not a work.


Joy unspeakable full of glory

No it is not a synonym!

It is the response to the endowment of faith.

One must have a reason to “turn around” changing the direction and purpose for which they were originally headed.

Repentance means “turn around.”

 

[agedman]

God demonstrated His love toward us in that while we were still sinners, He died for us. His love for all mankind is demonstrated by Him laying down His life as a ransom for all. However, only those whose faith God credits as righteousness are chosen, thus a conditional individual election for salvation.

So, ultimately, in your view, there is no true assurance of salvation because individual election is conditional upon human faith.

 

[Van]

So, ultimately, in your view, there is no true assurance of salvation because individual election is conditional upon human faith.

On and on folks, misrepresentation after misrepresentation.
Where does our assurance of salvation come from? What does scripture say. Human faith or the protected faith of those born anew?

 

[agedman]

On and on folks, misrepresentation after misrepresentation.
Where does our assurance of salvation come from? What does scripture say. Human faith or the protected faith of those born anew?

You didn’t answer the question, Van.

You claim “our, my, mine, your...” faith as not a gift from God but innate in every human.

From such human faith comes assurance?

Nope

 

[37818]

Can you explain further? The issue was not the different textual families, but the NWT.

The Archangel

The issues of the NWT is off topic to this thread.

 

[agedman]

The issues of the NWT is off topic to this thread.

It was brought up by someone posting the use in leading someone to the Lord.

The NWT is deeply flawed (imo).

I personally would not want to rely upon it presenting truthful renderings.

 

[Van]

You didn’t answer the question, Van.
You claim “our, my, mine, your...” faith as not a gift from God but innate in every human.
From such human faith comes assurance?
Nope

Here is the "non-answer" repeated once again:
On and on folks, misrepresentation after misrepresentation.
Where does our assurance of salvation come from? What does scripture say. Human faith or the protected faith of those born anew?

Notice the totally off topic posts just keep coming to hide the fact John uses "kosmos" to refer to mankind, or the corrupt value system of fallen mankind.