John 6:37

[Reformed1689]

Your whole argument is destroyed in the fact that the child STILL has the freedom to drink, Even thought it will cause consequences.

You do not understand what love is.

Like I said its all in the word. John 3 is a perfect example. But you can;t see if, because your don;t want to.

You have lost any and all credibility. You don't want to actually discuss the issue and you just sound ignorant. I'm not going to continue if you can't have a serious discussion. Your posts are just nonsense with no scriptural backing.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

God does not do random things at all.
He has an eternal.purpose that has been.manifested to the church Eph3:9-11.
Who God sets His love upon is His concern.
There is nothing in us that attracts that love.We are like Ezekiels infant described in chapter 16.
In Deut.7 God determined to save some out of one nation at that time.
The reason was internal. Among the trinity...not external by anything they did.

Your right, he does not do random things

His will is all who see and believe wil be saved. His will is that as moses lifted the serpent. So must Christ be raised.

He who believes is not condemned, He who does not believe is condemned already

That is his will. And that is how he chose..

Belief vs non belief is what seperates us.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Free will is a philosophical term not used of men in the bible.
It is s not used because it does not exist.
Your will is bound by your nature...Roman's 6.
Men have self will.
They are moral agents who make choices according to their nature.
Adam in sinful rebellion brought this upon us all.
We are never free to sin.
We are able to sin, but never free to sin.
When Jesus sets us "free"...jn8.....we are still never free to sin...only free to serve Gal.5:13...use not your liberty as an occasion to the flesh.
Does this help you understand?

Free will is the basis of Gods dealing with mankind

God gave Adam and Eve free will

He gives Israel free will (lev 26)

He gives us all free will

While the flesh may determine our will. It is still free.

The tax collector chose of free will to call out on God. The pharisee of free will chose to pump his chest.

 

[Reformed1689]

Nope. He was still dead in his sin. You ca nNOT be regenerate UNTIL your sins are forgiven. He called out because he knew his sin he was still dead.

He went him justified.

And again you have posted assertion without Scripture, so please, back your statement up with Scripture.

 

[Reformed1689]

Your right, he does not do random things

His will is all who see and believe wil be saved. His will is that as moses lifted the serpent. So must Christ be raised.

He who believes is not condemned, He who does not believe is condemned already

That is his will. And that is how he chose..

Belief vs non belief is what seperates us.

But who can believe? There is the key. Is it anyone? No. That is not what Scripture states. The only ones who can come are the ones given by the Father.

 

[Reformed1689]

Free will is the basis of Gods dealing with mankind

According to what? And by what definition of free will?

 

[Reformed1689]

While the flesh may determine our will. It is still free.

You realize by your definition of free will this is a contradictory statement right?

 

[kyredneck]

He called out because he knew his sin he was still dead.

Lol, that would be scary, a dead person calling out. I know zombies do it in the movies but.....that's not real.

 

[Iconoclast]

Your right, he does not do random things

His will is all who see and believe wil be saved. His will is that as moses lifted the serpent. So must Christ be raised.

He who believes is not condemned, He who does not believe is condemned already

That is his will. And that is how he chose..

Belief vs non belief is what seperates us.

No what makes us differ is you do not believe Adam died at the fall. I do.

 

[Iconoclast]

Free will is the basis of Gods dealing with mankind

God gave Adam and Eve free will

He gives Israel free will (lev 26)

He gives us all free will

While the flesh may determine our will. It is still free.

The tax collector chose of free will to call out on God. The pharisee of free will chose to pump his chest.

Not once are we said to have free will. Biblically it does not exist.
In the realm of philosophy man has devised such an idea in rebellion against God.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Lol, that would be scary, a dead person calling out. I know zombies do it in the movies but.....that's not real.

That’s funny,

All these dead peopel walking, talking, Committing sins, Obeying law. Loving and helping each other.

I can see why calvin debates get so crazy and turns into mudslinging and name calling.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

No what makes us differ is you do not believe Adam died at the fall. I do.

But adam did die. Spiritually, Thats why he had to be born again, God even showed him how his nakedness would be converted..

In another thread I was accused of not knowing what calvinism was. Here you just proved you do not know what I think or believe.

Talk about some crazy stuff

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Not once are we said to have free will. Biblically it does not exist.
In the realm of philosophy man has devised such an idea in rebellion against God.

Well keep believing that my friend.

But you had free will. You have it today. You can chose to not sin and you can chose to sin. You can chose to obey a commandment of God, you can chose to disobey. You have had that ability since you were born.

 

[JD731]

Lol, that would be scary, a dead person calling out. I know zombies do it in the movies but.....that's not real.

Death in the scriptures means separation. That is all.

1Ki 17:17 And it came to pass after these things, [that] the son of the woman, the mistress of the house, fell sick; and his sickness was so sore, that there was no breath left in him.
18 And she said unto Elijah, What have I to do with thee, O thou man of God? art thou come unto me to call my sin to remembrance, and to slay my son?
19 And he said unto her, Give me thy son. And he took him out of her bosom, and carried him up into a loft, where he abode, and laid him upon his own bed.
20 And he cried unto the LORD, and said, O LORD my God, hast thou also brought evil upon the widow with whom I sojourn, by slaying her son?
21 And he stretched himself upon the child three times, and cried unto the LORD, and said, O LORD my God, I pray thee, let this child’s soul come into him again.
22 And the LORD heard the voice of Elijah; and the soul of the child came into him again, and he revived.
23 And Elijah took the child, and brought him down out of the chamber into the house, and delivered him unto his mother: and Elijah said, See, thy son liveth.

Calvin's idea of death is worse that the Russellites.

Separation! That is what it is boys.

 

[Iconoclast]

But adam did die. Spiritually, Thats why he had to be born again, God even showed him how his nakedness would be converted..

In another thread I was accused of not knowing what calvinism was. Here you just proved you do not know what I think or believe.

Talk about some crazy stuff

No...you seem to believe he was wounded...not dead as you believe in the full ability of the dead sinner.

 

[JD731]

Lol, that would be scary, a dead person calling out. I know zombies do it in the movies but.....that's not real.

Now think about this. If Adam was created in the image of God and his soul was in his body making him a natural man and the breath of God, his Spirit, was in his body, making him a Spiritual man, then the separation of the Spirit from the body and soul of Adam would be spiritual death and the separation of the soul from the body of Adam would be natural or physical death, right. And if the Spirit in Adam made him a trinitarian creature and identified with the Godhead, would not the separation of the Spirit because of his sin be spiritual death because he would separate himself from Adam?

Try this. If Adam still had natural life in his body, his soul, would he be dead spiritually and only body and soul and no longer connected to the Godhead? And if he had children by ms Eve, would not he sire children in his own image and not in the trinitarian image of God? Is that what Adam did? I mean that is what we are told, right?

1 This [is] the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;
2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.
3 And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat [a son] in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth:
4 And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters:
5 And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died.

I say WOW!

Then a few centuries later he says this.

2 Cor 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
5 For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus’ sake.
6 For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to [give] the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.

If Jesus is in the image of God, a trinity, and he gives each believer the same omnipresent Spirit that lives in his body, then reason and logic says we have spiritual life because of his Spirit and natural life because of our soul and both being in our body makes us a trinity. No?

Is that what the scriptures say?

9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10 And if Christ [be] in you, the body [is] dead because of sin; but the Spirit [is] life because of righteousness.
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

I say WOW!

Christ in us is our life, right?

1 John 5:11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
12 He that hath the Son hath life; [and] he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.

Does this make sense to you?

 

[atpollard]

Now you are just being insulting. Your just being foolish.

I was not intending insult. I was seeking to point out that “original sin”, while real, is NOT the primary reason for our guilt … our PERSONAL sins condemn us far more than any inherited propensity from Adam. All human beings have sinned, so all human beings need a savior irrespective of any Adamic curse.

 

[Silverhair]

EG
No biblical response can even begin to suggest the blasphemy that God causes men to sin.
That is a theological third rail.
All Reformed confessions clearly say God ordained whatsoever comes to pass, but yet is not the author of sin.
Fleshly reasoning might twist what is written in the confessions...but they are very clear

And there in lays the contradiction. "All Reformed confessions clearly say God ordained whatsoever comes to pass, but yet is not the author of sin." How can God ordain/decree all things and not be responsible for sin? You guys just fail to see what is right in front of you. Do you think that sin is not something that comes to pass?

I agree God is not the author of sin because He does not decree all things that come to pass.

By the way what does "hlyourconcp" in post # 121 mean or stand for.

 

[Reformed1689]

Well keep believing that my friend.

But you had free will. You have it today. You can chose to not sin and you can chose to sin. You can chose to obey a commandment of God, you can chose to disobey. You have had that ability since you were born.

Ok let's make this simple. So you "have free will" so you can just walk right into the White House without any id if you want to? If not, guess what you don't have absolute free will.

 

[Silverhair]

"Silverhair,

[Christ Jesus came to do the will of God the Father and that will was to save all those that would believe in Him. Certain persons are not selected and then given to Jesus in order to become believers, as some assert, but rather people are given to Jesus because they are already believers.]

After listing good verses you post this absurdity.
You deny the direct truth that the Father gave the elect children to the Son.Hebrews2:13-16.
Do you hate the truth of God so much you directly oppose it?

I could ask you the same question. You deny what scripture says clearly, that we have to trust before we are saved and you keep saying no can't be that and why well because it does not fit with your theology.

You can stick with Calvin and I will stick with the bible.