So it is now "gossip" to hold a public figure accountable for their statements when those statements are clearly contradictory?
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John Ankerberg and Ergun Caner
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So it is now "gossip" to hold a public figure accountable for their statements when those statements are clearly contradictory?
Only when those doing the "contradictions" are not Reformed and those who recognize it are.
I am not reformed in the sense that James White is. In fact, I didn't like how James White came across in his transparency over the Caner/White debate that didn't happen. White rubs me the wrong way.
But one's side of the Calvinism/Arminian debate has nothing to do with this. I know that Tom knows this and is just making a point - a valid one at that!
I am getting to the point of being sickened by Christianity in America. I am not sick of Jesus, just public expressions of Christianity. The statements by Ankerberg and Geisler have me completely baffled. Have I completely lost my grip on reality? I trusted these guys.
In the words of Vince Lombardi, "What in the h _ _ _ is going on out there!"
I haven't a clue anymore.
But one's side of the Calvinism/Arminian debate has nothing to do with this. I know that Tom knows this and is just making a point - a valid one at that!
I am getting to the point of being sickened by Christianity in America. I am not sick of Jesus, just public expressions of Christianity. The statements by Ankerberg and Geisler have me completely baffled. Have I completely lost my grip on reality? I trusted these guys.
In the words of Vince Lombardi, "What in the h _ _ _ is going on out there!"
I haven't a clue anymore.
If the fall of Ergun Caner and the moral failure of Norman Geisler has caused you this much trouble then I might suggest that you are putting too much faith in men. While I am disappointed, I'm hardly without a clue. My faith and trust is in the Lord, not in any man or woman. Therefore any failure on man's side does not shake me.
Just needed to be resaid!:thumbsup:
The Caner Mess
I would say that at this point, everything we think we know about Caner is now in doubt. Let me give a comparative analogy from my own experience.
As a retired military officer, I am habitually careful about my statements concerning my career activities. When I speak of it, it is imperative for conscience' sake that I get it right.
Examples:
1. I was on active duty for the last days of the Vietnam War--am I a Vietnam Veteran? No, I was on Guam after the final prisoner exchange, and I did participate in the illegal and "secret" Cambodia boming missions. At best, I am a Vietnam Era vet. When talking to another vet, I make sure to note that I was never "in country."
2. I supported Operation Nickel Grass FROM GUAM, but I was not on the ground at Tel Aviv airport helping unload the stuff we sent Israel.
3. We provided cargo support for Grenada and the relief of the Marines in Lebanon after the barracks were bombed ( 1983?)--but I was not there.
4. My troops and aircraft were the first on the ground in Gulf I, but I am not a veteran of Desert Storm, because I did not personally step on that battle field.
5. I provided logistical support for El Dorado Canyon, but personally had nothign to do with that F-111 putting a bomb in Qadaffi's living room.
I could go on, but you get the picture. We have an organization of ex-GIs called "Stolen Valor," who smoke out the fakes.
http://stolenvalor.com/
Now, if this is a big deal in the military(and you can go to JAIL for being a fake vet) then why should it not be a bigger deal talking about the souls of men?
I would say that at this point, everything we think we know about Caner is now in doubt. Let me give a comparative analogy from my own experience.
As a retired military officer, I am habitually careful about my statements concerning my career activities. When I speak of it, it is imperative for conscience' sake that I get it right.
Examples:
1. I was on active duty for the last days of the Vietnam War--am I a Vietnam Veteran? No, I was on Guam after the final prisoner exchange, and I did participate in the illegal and "secret" Cambodia boming missions. At best, I am a Vietnam Era vet. When talking to another vet, I make sure to note that I was never "in country."
2. I supported Operation Nickel Grass FROM GUAM, but I was not on the ground at Tel Aviv airport helping unload the stuff we sent Israel.
3. We provided cargo support for Grenada and the relief of the Marines in Lebanon after the barracks were bombed ( 1983?)--but I was not there.
4. My troops and aircraft were the first on the ground in Gulf I, but I am not a veteran of Desert Storm, because I did not personally step on that battle field.
5. I provided logistical support for El Dorado Canyon, but personally had nothign to do with that F-111 putting a bomb in Qadaffi's living room.
I could go on, but you get the picture. We have an organization of ex-GIs called "Stolen Valor," who smoke out the fakes.
http://stolenvalor.com/
Now, if this is a big deal in the military(and you can go to JAIL for being a fake vet) then why should it not be a bigger deal talking about the souls of men?
My statement that I am without a clue is with regard to men like Geisler and Ankerberg looking at the facts and stating that Caner's testimony is completely true and that he has been exonerated. I am "without a clue" as to how they can make these statements.
Truthfully, Martin, the public expressions of Christianity, as represented by Caner, Geisler, and Ankerberg, in America today sickens me. I am not sick of Jesus, but I am getting quite a tummy ache with regard to Christianity.
I think it is just the opposite. We have a lot more confidence regarding the way things really are with Ergun Caner.
Really?how is this gossip holding anyone accountable? Do you think you are actually doing something here by gossiping about him? Do you think you are playing a part in holding him accountable?
How absurd. What you all are doing is getting your jollies at the expense of a brother. The need for repentance is as much yours as it is anyone else.
I think that most of us who are praying for Caner and seeking to hold him accountable are grieving over the damage being done to Christ and his kingdom by those who deem it appropriate to lie to gain a hearing.
When Geisler and Ankerberg go public with their statements, it is not gossip to discuss their statements. How very sad to accuse the internet prophets of gossip for seeking to confront the very public sin of Caner, Geisler, and Ankerberg.
A couple million amounts to "millions". By the way what is reformed "SBC" Ecclesiology?
Why did you necro this thread GT?
Just curious
Just curious
Greektim
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I came across it on google when I saw James White post a pic of Ankerberg w/ the Caner brothers on facebook. I searched to see of he did a show w/ them recently. This thread came up. Honestly, I didn't even check the dates of when this thread was started.
I'm still not sure Ankerberg has millions of viewers. But I am open to being corrected w/ factual info.
I thought every evangelical television star had millions and millions of viewers. I mean, the signal is available in all those houses, everyone must be watching 