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John Gerstner's Unbiblical Nonsense!

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Dave G

Dave G

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SavedByGrace said:
I know, but this does not mean that anyone, not even the angels, will actually "see" the suffering of the wicked. I cannot accept that God would do such a thing!
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If Scripture states it, then are you willing to accept what is written?
 
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Yeshua1

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SavedByGrace said:
This is what John Gerstner, who was a leading Reformed theologian, said about people who end up in hell. His response to a question from a student, is totally unbiblical and goes against what the Holy Bible actually teaches. The question that I have, is this unbiblical nonsense actually "Reformed" teaching?

Event #2: One student asked Dr. Gerstner, “How can I be happy in heaven if I’m aware that one of my loved ones is in hell?” Dr. Gerstner responded: “Don’t you know that when you are in heaven you will be so sanctified that you could look at your own mother in hell and rejoice in the display of the justice of God.” And Sproul burst out laughing, informing Dr. Gerstner that his statement was absolutely ridiculous.

2010 Ligonier National Conference - R.C. Sproul (II)

There is not even ONE verse in the entire Bible that says what Gerstner taught! This is one of the reasons why people in this world are put off the Christian Faith!

This is what God says in His Word!

"Have I any pleasure in the death of the wicked, declares the Lord God, and not rather that he should turn from his way and live?" (Ezekiel 18:23)

"Say to them, As I live, declares the Lord God, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but that the wicked turn from his way and live; turn back, turn back from your evil ways, for why will you die, O house of Israel?" (Ezekiel 33:11)
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We will have the full mind of Lord Jesus when glorified , and as such, we will realize and understand that the person chose to go to that state! it was their fault, and not Gods!
 
Tsalagi

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AustinC said:
The fact you have a bias and someone points it out is hardly "biting and devouring" someone. Enough with the faux outrage. Deal with the topic.
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You demonstrate my point by leading with ad hominem. I am not "outraged," I am not "biased" about finding ad hominem lamentable no matter who perpetrates it, and my concern is not "faux." I wasn't talking about myself in any case, I was responding to 1689 calling SBG a liar, and finding it regrettable that this sort of response has become typical on a board where Christian love ought to be more in evidence. Do you disagree?

AustinC said:
Gerstner answered a speculative question with an assertion that God is just and all person's in heaven will agree with God's justice. Do you disagree that God is just or do you disagree that the saints will view God as just when we enter heaven?
Which assertion do you disagree with?
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I disagree with you changing Gerstner's wording from rejoice to disagree. Jesus agreed to go to the cross; He did not rejoice in it. God judges the wicked; He does not rejoice in it.
 
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Yeshua1

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SavedByGrace said:
The Bible's reason why people go to hell

International Standard Version John 3:36 The one who believes in the Son has eternal life, but the one who disobeys the Son will not see life. Instead, the wrath of God remains on him.
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That shows to us all who go there chose to do such!
 
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AustinC

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SavedByGrace said:
more nonsense from the Reformed, who respond without knowing what they are on about!

Theophilus of Antioch, was the first person to use this term, in about A.D. 180. not long after it was more defined by the theologian, Tertullian, who actually is the earliest reference to 1 John 5:7, as in the KJV!

PLEASE quit posting nonsense!
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Please stick with the topic.
 
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AustinC

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SavedByGrace said:
don't try to soften what Gerstner actually says!
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I'm not. I'm telling you that you are conflating two separate topics and missing Gerstner's point. Go read my comment to Tsalagi regarding Gerstner's answer.

Will the saints consider God unjust when they enter God's presence or will they rejoice in God's justice?
 
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AustinC

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SavedByGrace said:
when you can learn to understand simple verses of the Bible, then please do join in these more advanced discussions! :rolleyes:
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LOL, you are the person continually misunderstanding the text and reading what is not there into the text.
I understand the text. I disagree with how you abusively interpret the text.
 
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