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John Gerstner's Unbiblical Nonsense!

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Reformed1689

Reformed1689

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Tsalagi said:
It is lamentable that discussion with Reformed types so often elicits this type of ad hominem when the scriptural going gets tough.
Reformed theology says God only loves the elect, not the world, in direct conflict with passages like John 3:16 and 1 John 2:2. Nobody here is "lying" about that.
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No, you are lying about what we have said about those passages. In what way did God love the world? That is the question. There is common grace and there is saving grace. John 3:16 only shows God doing something for those who believe, the elect. We are not saying that world is not the human race, but even human race does not mean every individual.
 
Tsalagi

Tsalagi

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Reformed1689 said:
No, you are lying about what we have said about those passages. In what way did God love the world? That is the question. There is common grace and there is saving grace. John 3:16 only shows God doing something for those who believe, the elect. We are not saying that world is not the human race, but even human race does not mean every individual.
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John 3:16 does not say or imply any limitation of God's love to the elect only. "Whosoever" is not complicated.
 
SavedByGrace

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Reformed1689 said:
No, you are lying about what we have said about those passages. In what way did God love the world? That is the question. There is common grace and there is saving grace. John 3:16 only shows God doing something for those who believe, the elect. We are not saying that world is not the human race, but even human race does not mean every individual.
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You should be ashamed of yourself for continuing to distort the Bible
 
Tsalagi

Tsalagi

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Reformed1689 said:
First of all it is not ad hominem to call out a pattern of lying. Yet I find it interesting you do not call out @SavedByGrace when he engages in ad hominem. You lose all credibility.
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I find SBG's responses in kind equally regrettable. But there are deeper roots in the constant denigration of those who do not find the Reformed position in their Bibles. It's a strong and consistent pattern, just take a look at this board.
 
Tsalagi

Tsalagi

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Reformed1689 said:
First of all it is not ad hominem to call out a pattern of lying. Yet I find it interesting you do not call out @SavedByGrace when he engages in ad hominem. You lose all credibility.
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Calling out a pattern would focus on the content of posts, and demonstrate that they are false. Impugning a fellow believer's character is not that. Matthew 7:1-2.
 
SavedByGrace

SavedByGrace

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Tsalagi said:
I find SBG's responses in kind equally regrettable. But there are deeper roots in the constant denigration of those who do not find the Reformed position in their Bibles. It's a strong and consistent pattern, just take a look at this board.
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Because it is very shameful that these reformed continue to distort the teaching of the Bible.
 
Tsalagi

Tsalagi

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SavedByGrace said:
Because it is very shameful that these reformed continue to distort the teaching of the Bible.
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In my view "speaking the truth to one another in love" is something different than arguing using personal remarks and insinuations. Any unbeliever can do the latter.
 
SavedByGrace

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Tsalagi said:
In my view "speaking the truth to one another in love" is something different than arguing using personal remarks and insinuations. Any unbeliever can do the latter.
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Check out the responses of the Lord in the Gospels against those who perverted the Bible
 
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AustinC

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SavedByGrace said:
God says in John 3 that He SO LOVES the entire human race. Reformed say no

God says that He wants all wicked people to repent and turn from their ways because He has no pleasure in their going to hell, as in Ezekiel 18 and 33. The reformed say no.

So it is reformed theology against the Word of God!
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Where does God say "the entire human race" in John 3:16? You are reading your interpretation into the verse. Please address Gerstner, since you created the topic. It is interesting to watch you now avoid the topic.

You still have never answered my question.
Is God just?
 
Reformed1689

Reformed1689

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Tsalagi said:
I find SBG's responses in kind equally regrettable. But there are deeper roots in the constant denigration of those who do not find the Reformed position in their Bibles. It's a strong and consistent pattern, just take a look at this board.
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Then your sheer bias is showing to think that others are any less so.
 
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AustinC

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SavedByGrace said:
God says in John 3 that He SO LOVES the entire human race. Reformed say no

God says that He wants all wicked people to repent and turn from their ways because He has no pleasure in their going to hell, as in Ezekiel 18 and 33. The reformed say no.

So it is reformed theology against the Word of God!
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This is an off-topic question. It's not what Gerstner was asked.
You are reading your bias into the Bible. Please try again.
 
Dave G

Dave G

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SavedByGrace said:
This is one of the reasons why people in this world are put off the Christian Faith!
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SBG,
According to the Bible itself, people are not put off the Christian faith because of their hearing things that seem outlandish to them.

They are put off the Christian faith because they inherently reject God's words ( Romans 1:30-32, Romans 3:10-18, John 3:19-20, John 8:43-47, etc. ).
SavedByGrace said:
This is what God says in His Word!

"Have I any pleasure in the death of the wicked, declares the Lord God, and not rather that he should turn from his way and live?" (Ezekiel 18:23)

"Say to them, As I live, declares the Lord God, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but that the wicked turn from his way and live; turn back, turn back from your evil ways, for why will you die, O house of Israel?" (Ezekiel 33:11)
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This is also what God says in His word:

" The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.
6 Thou shalt destroy them that speak leasing: the Lord will abhor the bloody and deceitful man." ( Psalms 5:5-6 ).

" The Lord trieth the righteous: but the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul hateth." ( Psalms 11:5 )

" These six [things] doth the Lord hate: yea, seven [are] an abomination unto him:
17 a proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
18 an heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,
19 a false witness [that] speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren." ( Proverbs 6:16 ).

Yes, SBG...
According to these and many more, the Lord does indeed actually hate the sinner, not just the sin.
And according to many, man does indeed hate God and starts out life doing so.
 
Reformed1689

Reformed1689

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Tsalagi said:
Calling out a pattern would focus on the content of posts, and demonstrate that they are false. Impugning a fellow believer's character is not that. Matthew 7:1-2.
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No if a member constantly lies about what was or was not said that makes him a liar. That is not an ad hominem attack at that point it is a statement of demonstrable fact.
 
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