So what do you mean by "Fornicators are not Christians yet,much less ministers"?
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JOHN MACARTHUR AND ASSURANCE
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So what do you mean by "Fornicators are not Christians yet,much less ministers"?
So what do you mean by "Fornicators are not Christians yet,much less ministers"?
You can know. MacArthur preaches this truth. 1 John is the key to this whole subject. He says toward the end of the epistle, "These things I have written to you.....that you may know that you have eternal life..."
Security is always real and never changes. Assurance can change when one falls into sin. Paul said, "test yourselves" whether you being the faith. Does your life show a change?
There is an antinomian movement in the Church the promotes past profession security, that one can be assured of salvation based on profess that doesn't produce fruit. That's what James warned about. That's what MacArthur is rightly warning about.
MacArthur would never deny this.
Exactly. I would challenge anyone to read 1John and come to any other conclusion.
Whenever our theology, as in Lordship salvation, takes basis of Jesus and the Cross and puts it back upon us is troubling!
"Unless Jesus is Lord over all, He is Lord over none"
They can be Christians, who are commuting a grave sin, and until they repent and forsake that sinning, no position to be in spiritual leadership!
he is right to be concerned about a Christianity that professes Jesus in words, but has no evidence to support that claim, but seems that he overreacted too far in his response!
Sat under him for years. Never saw this. Read The Gospel According to Jesus. Great book.
MacArthur is merely saying that while security never changes, though once saved always saved, we can at times sin to the point where we then question our salvation. Where is the fruit? Where is my changed life?
Works don't save, but true faith begets works. Jesus said, by their fruits you will know them. The Apostles tell us that you can know yourself this way also. Test yourself, whether you being the faith.
i have heard and read his works 0n LS and i dont like it.
OF course JESUS is LORD but
LORDSHIP MUST BE REALIZED NOT bulled into - at least not by a mortal man.
Also his teaching of the blood of Christ is scary.
BTW, another book recommendation.
Kept for Jesus: What the New Testament Really Teaches about Assurance of Salvation and Eternal Security
By: Sam Storms
He deals with the extremes of both antinomianism (past profession security) and arminianism (losing salvation).
Kept for Jesus: What the New Testament Really Teaches about Assurance of Salvation and Eternal Security
By: Sam Storms
He deals with the extremes of both antinomianism (past profession security) and arminianism (losing salvation).
I honestly don't know what your'e talking about. But feel free to expand.
Once we start looking at our behavior and not focus upon the Cross, we can get into the mindset of have I done enough long enough to even be saved even?
I just do not see it as being lord of all or Lord of none black and white!
What is his teaching on blood of Christ?
Just add in dealing with extremes of legalism and would be complete!
Tell that to the Apostle John. Read 1John today. Then let me know what you think he is focusing on. Bottom line, we have to go with what is written and not beyond it. It may be a nice idea that we never examine fruit, but is it a biblical idea?
have you read Grace Awakening by Chuck Swindoll?
The legalism is dealt with in addressing the idea that you can lose your salvation.
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