John MacArthur and Beth Moore

[Bible Thumpin n Gun Totin]

John MacArthur recently said Beth Moore should "go home" as she is essentially a woman preacher.

Anyone other Baptists have thoughts on this?

My understanding from my wife is that she never claims to be a preacher and only teaches women.

 

[Revmitchell]

John MacArthur recently said Beth Moore should "go home" as she is essentially a woman preacher.

Anyone other Baptists have thoughts on this?

My understanding from my wife is that she never claims to be a preacher and only teaches women.

Not to argue against your wife but she has a lack of info. She is pushing the mettoo movement in the convention and even for women preachers. She herself claims she goes and preaches at churches. She has been bashing conservatives in the convention that will not support it.

 

[McCree79]

John MacArthur recently said Beth Moore should "go home" as she is essentially a woman preacher.

Anyone other Baptists have thoughts on this?

My understanding from my wife is that she never claims to be a preacher and only teaches women.

She preaches to mixed congregation and attacks white males in the church because...well, they are white and male.

She attempted to promote women pastors in the SBC, then Mohler went after her and she deleted tweet.

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[Particular]

I don't know much about Beth Moore, but I enjoy reading books by Nancy Guthrie. Her 5 book series on Seeing Jesus in the Old Testament is excellent.

 

[Shoostie]

In the past, I was a big fan of John MacArthur. I liked his expositional style and was impressed by his apparent knowledge. But, as I grew to know more, I became less impressed. For example, here's something he said about wine:

Wine in ancient times was boiled or mixed…boiled or mixed. And I’m not just telling you this because Bible writers talk about it, I’m telling you this is secular history. Everybody knows this was the case. And if you take wine that was typically two to four percent and you boil it, what happens to the alcohol? It’s gone. What you have left is a paste that can then be remixed with water.

That's completely false. Doesn't MacArthur know better? The same with a lot of subjects he talks about.

But, on Beth Moore, I'll defend MacArthur. His comment "go home" wasn't premeditated. He was put on the spot. I hope that if he were in a position to give a more thoughtful response, he wouldn't have been so curt.

I'm no fan of Beth Moore. I think she very clearly has been moving away from scriptural teaching. A lot she says is simply false. And, has she apologized for condemning those Convington boys where were being harassed by Indian and black racists, for her own evil virtue signalling and prejudice? Her response was so utterly antichrist it reeks of vomit of Hell.

 

[Reynolds]

John MacArthur recently said Beth Moore should "go home" as she is essentially a woman preacher.

Anyone other Baptists have thoughts on this?

My understanding from my wife is that she never claims to be a preacher and only teaches women.

Beth Moore should shut up and go home.

 

[Revmitchell]

Beth Moore charges SBC conservatives with ‘sin’, recants 2009 statement on ‘homosexual sin’

JULY 12, 2019

By Will Hall, Executive Editor

HOUSTON (LBM) — LifeWay’s best-selling author, Beth Moore, created more controversy in June and July, accusing Southern Baptists in the Conservative Resurgence of “sin” while recanting a 2009 statement she made about “homosexual sin.”

Moore stirred controversy when it was discovered that she had revised her decade-old book, “Praying God’s Word,” to delete a paragraph she said, July 6, “exceeded Scripture and singled out same-sex sin as particularly satanic.”

In 2009 she wrote in the book that “He’s showing me” some things about “sexual strongholds” and then cited promiscuity, pornography and homosexuality as undermining the “sanctifying work of Christ.”

Now she has deleted a passage from the electronic version of her book that called homosexuality “another deadly assault of the evil one in our society.” Moore said she made the change because she “heard from some heartbroken mothers about their kids who were having a hard enough time feeling ostracized as it was.”

Among the changes she made, she deleted the statement that “God indeed can deliver you” and removed another part that said “complete transformation is possible … because God’s Word says so … [and] because I have witnessed it with my own eyes.”

A number of individuals are pressing Moore to clarify whether she still considers homosexuality to be a sin. However, she has avoided answering the question directly, choosing instead to cite Galatians 5:19-21, which does not specifically mention “homosexuality” among the listed sins.

The July controversy was preceded by Moore taking swipes, June 26, at the Conservative Resurgence, a grassroots movement, 1979-1990, that was marked by the election of conservatives like Adrian Rogers as president of the Southern Baptist Convention.

Beth Moore charges SBC conservatives with ‘sin’, recants 2009 statement on ‘homosexual sin’ - Baptist Message

 

[Reformed1689]

John MacArthur recently said Beth Moore should "go home" as she is essentially a woman preacher.

Anyone other Baptists have thoughts on this?

My understanding from my wife is that she never claims to be a preacher and only teaches women.

Women are not to be Bible Teachers in my opinion. I believe Paul makes this clear. He says I do not permit a woman to teach OR to exercise authority over a man. Those are two different things that are not permitted.

1. They are not permitted to teach.
2. They are not to exercise authority over a man.

For this reason, I believe women teacher/preachers are not found in Scripture and are against its teachings.

It's a gray area for me when you are talking about children and teaching children. I haven't really fleshed that out yet, but certainly not for adults.

 

[Particular]

God gives the gift of teaching to women as well as men. He gifts women with the ability to read Greek and Hebrew and exegete His word as equal with men. In Judges we see Deborah being a Judge over Israel, by God's ordination.
That being said, we also see Deborah directing a man to take the natural role in leading and that man fails to do so.
Men are created by God to lead the family and lead the church, but it is untrue to say women should not teach when God has clearly given some the gift of teaching. To tell them they cannot teach is equivalent to someone telling Deborah she cannot be God's ordained Judge.
Yet, if a woman is given the gift of teaching, a man is still in the role of leadership and a man should lead as Christ lead, with grace and humility.
In listening to the audio of the conversation, I do not perceive grace and humility in the men who are speaking. I specifically hear Todd Friel egging on a sense of disparagement that is not Godward. Toward that, I believe there is a need for these men to repent. They were wrong to hold the prideful attitude they held.

 

[Reformed1689]

In listening to the audio of the conversation, I do not perceive grace and humility in the men who are speaking. I specifically hear Todd Friel egging on a sense of disparagement that is not Godward. Toward that, I believe there is a need for these men to repent. They were wrong to hold the prideful attitude they held.

What audio?

 

[Particular]

There is no video (just an image), but here's the audio. It seems the moderator, Todd Friel, is attempting to be funny, but it comes off as mean.

What audio?

 

[Reformed1689]

There is no video (just an image), but here's the audio. It seems the moderator, Todd Friel, is attempting to be funny, but it comes off as mean.

*sigh* can't watch youtube.

 

[Revmitchell]

There is no video (just an image), but here's the audio. It seems the moderator, Todd Friel, is attempting to be funny, but it comes off as mean.

I agree that was not done in a God honoring way

 

[Particular]

*sigh* can't watch youtube.

I am attempting to share an mp3 of the discussion. I am using Tapatalk, so I am not sure whether you can access it or not. But, here is my attempt in hopes you can listen. http://cloud.tapatalk.com/s/5db2f8f7859f9/MacArthur_Moore_GTY_Conference.mp3

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

And, has she apologized for condemning those Convington boys where were being harassed by Indian and black racists, for her own evil virtue signalling and prejudice? Her response was so utterly antichrist it reeks of vomit of Hell.

For her part, Moore tweeted, “To glee in dehumanizing any person is so utterly antichrist it reeks of the vomit of hell.”

I did not know Beth Moore jumped on that bandwagon of condemnation. To see she did it so vehemently but hypocritically is shocking.

 

[Reformed1689]

I am attempting to share an mp3 of the discussion. I am using Tapatalk, so I am not sure whether you can access it or not. But, here is my attempt in hopes you can listen. Tapatalk Cloud - Downlaoad File MacArthur_Moore_GTY_Conference.mp3

Thanks I was able to listen. I don't see a problem with what was said and I agree.

 

[Bible Thumpin n Gun Totin]

Thanks all, I did some more research, and I think I'm leaning on MacArthur's side on this one, which I also believe is the side of the Bible.

I would agree the way he and Friel went about it could have been better, but I think after more research, and hearing y'alls input, the general point they made is correct.

 

[Reformed1689]

Thanks all, I did some more research, and I think I'm leaning on MacArthur's side on this one, which I also believe is the side of the Bible.

I would agree the way he and Friel went about it could have been better, but I think after more research, and hearing y'alls input, the general point they made is correct.

Just curious, what did you guys not like about the way it was presented, please be specific.

 

[Revmitchell]

Thanks all, I did some more research, and I think I'm leaning on MacArthur's side on this one, which I also believe is the side of the Bible.

I would agree the way he and Friel went about it could have been better, but I think after more research, and hearing y'alls input, the general point they made is correct.

You might be right on the issue but if you handle it wrong then you are completely wrong

 

[Reformed1689]

You might be right on the issue but if you handle it wrong then you are completely wrong

Just curious, in your view, what was wrong about the audio? I didn't hear anything wrong.