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John MacArthur takes on some of Arminianism's teachings

evangelist6589

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Listened to a great sermon yesterday. I suggest you do as well. Boy was it a great one.

http://www.gty.org/resources/sermons/90-270/the-perseverance-of-the-saints-part-1

A person who quote/unquote has accepted Jesus, made a decision for Jesus, prayed a prayer and goes on to live in a sinful pattern of life with no fear of hell because they think they're eternally secure is deluded. That's why we have to be careful when we talk about the doctrine of eternal security as if the one prayer makes you forever secure. And by the way, this is what is taught by many people. All those people who deny the doctrine of the Lordship of Christ, all those non-Lordship people, affirm that one prayer prayed one time makes you eternally secure without perseverance. That is a misrepresentation of what Scripture teaches and that's why I wrote the book The Gospel According to Jesusand the follow up, The Gospel According to the Apostles
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The problems with the sinners prayer, while not completely unfounded, are by and large greatly exaggerated by those who do not like it no matter what.
 
JonC

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I like MacArthur and listen to his sermons when I run (keeps my attention off of how much I hate running) – except when it comes to examining theological differences within Christianity. He is, I believe, unintentionally dishonest. He takes the extremes of what a view could mean and applies it to the whole (he is a “straw man” master).

If you want a better look at “non-Lordship” people (or even Arminianism) check out some theology books written by experts in the field. You will find difficulties on both sides of the coin as they tend to explore the topics less subjectively (regardless of their position on the issue).
 
evangelist6589

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JonC said:
I like MacArthur and listen to his sermons when I run (keeps my attention off of how much I hate running) – except when it comes to examining theological differences within Christianity. He is, I believe, unintentionally dishonest. He takes the extremes of what a view could mean and applies it to the whole (he is a “straw man” master).

If you want a better look at “non-Lordship” people (or even Arminianism) check out some theology books written by experts in the field. You will find difficulties on both sides of the coin as they tend to explore the topics less subjectively (regardless of their position on the issue).
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I have read Lutzer and Stanley and am aware of the arguments. Mac does exaggerate at times, but he's a great teacher.
 
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Just one more reason to use others judiciously and reserve final beliefs on the HS's guiding in your own personal scripture digging.
 
JonC

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evangelist6589 said:
I have read Lutzer and Stanley and am aware of the arguments. Mac does exaggerate at times, but he's a great teacher.
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MacArthur is a good teacher and I also like Lutzer and Stanley. I was thinking less of works by pastors and more by theologians (I like Erickson and Grudem, for example – while their views bleed through, they are more objective than should be a pastor).
 
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JonC said:
MacArthur is a good teacher and I also like Lutzer and Stanley. I was thinking less of works by pastors and more by theologians (I like Erickson and Grudem, for example – while their views bleed through, they are more objective than should be a pastor).
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I have their systematic theologies buried. Can you give me the page numbers and I will go look them up? Erickson probably more so if you have to choose one or the other.
 
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Luk 18:10 Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.
11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.
12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.
13 And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.
14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.

Which man obeyed God and did good works, the Pharisee or the publican?

Which man said a simple prayer and asked for forgiveness?

Which man did Jesus say went down to his house justified?

Lordship Salvation is works.

Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Did these persons call Jesus "Lord"? Yes, it is emphasized in this parable, twice they call Jesus "Lord, Lord".

Did they do good works in Jesus's name? Yes, they did MANY good works.

Were they saved?

Lordship Salvation is false doctrine.
 
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JonC

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evangelist6589 said:
I have their systematic theologies buried. Can you give me the page numbers and I will go look them up? Erickson probably more so if you have to choose one or the other.
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Check out Southwestern Journal of Theology 33 (March 1991). The article is “Lordship Theology: The Current Controversy” by Erickson.
 
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Winman said:
Luk 18:10 Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.
11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.
12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.
13 And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.
14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.

Which man obeyed God and did good works, the Pharisee or the publican?

Which man said a simple prayer and asked for forgiveness?

Which man did Jesus say went down to his house justified?

Lordship Salvation is works.

Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Did these persons call Jesus "Lord"? Yes, it is emphasized in this parable, twice they call Jesus "Lord, Lord".

Did they do good works in Jesus's name? Yes, they did MANY good works.

Were they saved?

Lordship Salvation is false doctrine.
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Amen! It's sad people will eat up this Lordship Salvation when it is nothing more than works salvation. Belief in Jesus's promise is all that is required for eternal life. I believe it and I am secure....eternally! Johnny Mac is a great man of God but he has got this dead wrong. And that's a hill I'm willing to die on. Praise Jesus, Im saved and nothing can ever change that!
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