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Amy.G

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Logos1560 said:
As was noted, the KJV is associated with Calvinism, and I didn't think that you disliked or cared nothing for it.

In his book Calvinistic Paths Retraced that is critical of Calvinism, Samuel Fisk pointed out the influence of Calvinism on some renderings in the KJV.
One of Fisk's topic headings was "questionable concepts carried over in the King James Version" (p. 74) where he asserts that pro-Calvinistic renderings are found in the KJV.
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Could you provide some examples of this?
 
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Baptist4life

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Why is it you try to turn every thread into KJVOism? This is about John MacArthur, not KJVO. BTW, I have Calvinist friiends who use the NIV to support their beliefs. You'd better post something about the NIV then. :laugh:
 
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annsni

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Baptist4life said:
Why is it you try to turn every thread into KJVOism? This is about John MacArthur, not KJVO. BTW, I have Calvinist friiends who use the NIV to support their beliefs. You'd better post something about the NIV then. :laugh:
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I'm sorry but most Calvinists today use the ESV. ;)
 
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annsni

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Mexdeaf said:
Not a good sign, imho.
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I agree. I know that when you're in the dating stage, you want to be careful not to completely turn the other person off but if you hide truths about yourself, you are setting yourself up for a bad relationship later.
 
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Bronconagurski

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evangelist6589 said:
For some reason my current girl-friend does not like or gravitate towards John MacArthur's books.

Sorry about that, pal, it may not work out. The first 3 questions I ask a woman are:

1. Do you like Johnny mac?

2. Do you like chili mac?

3. Do you like mac and cheese?

She has to answer 2 out of 3 yes or I won't see her again.
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annsni said:
I'm sorry but most Calvinists today use the ESV. ;)
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Many today use the ESV which is great translation that I use myself. However I also use the NIV & the KJV/NKJV. Some translations are better for some passages than others. I prefer the KJB for memorization and open air preaching. But prefer the NIV/ESV for devotionals.
 
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12strings

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evangelist6589 said:
She would not answer as she does not like to offend....She would not specify as to why she did not want to pass theirs out.
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This should concern you much more than her not liking John Mac. You may be in early stages of courtship now such that she is hesitant, but if you are even remotely moving toward marraige [which incidentally, you should be moving that direction eventually, or else break up with her...but that's another discussion], She will have to be willing to talk to you about the real reasons why she does things, or likes things, or doesn't like them...otherwise a month after you're married she will be really mad at you...but she won't tell you why because she's scared of offending you.
 
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humblethinker

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annsni said:
I agree. I know that when you're in the dating stage, you want to be careful not to completely turn the other person off but if you hide truths about yourself, you are setting yourself up for a bad relationship later.
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Yeah, good answer Annsni. If she is KJVO (which it sounds like it is the case) then maybe you should get more informed on the matter and maybe you could both share in your discovery of the truth. I'm speaking as though you don't know already... no offense intended... for all I know you may be well informed. What I'm getting at is in proper timing and in the right spirit it will need to be discussed. Few people enjoy being told that they're wrong but many more would appreciate a shared journey in the topic. Annsni is absolutely right, if it's important then communicate with her and let her know that "I may be wrong but let's look into this thing together". Also, I'd make sure that you don't communicate that for you to be correct on the KJVO issue gives more weight to the correctness of your belief in Calvinism. Keep them separated. Imo, for a guy in your position (as an evangelist?) they are both very important issues to discuss eventually though.
 
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12strings said:
This should concern you much more than her not liking John Mac. You may be in early stages of courtship now such that she is hesitant, but if you are even remotely moving toward marraige [which incidentally, you should be moving that direction eventually, or else break up with her...but that's another discussion], She will have to be willing to talk to you about the real reasons why she does things, or likes things, or doesn't like them...otherwise a month after you're married she will be really mad at you...but she won't tell you why because she's scared of offending you.
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Its not that bog of a deal. People have preferences and I realize that not everyone likes the same thing. Should I make such a big deal of the fact that she likes certain foods that I dislike? Tracts and authors are preferences and people have different preferences. People are different and not everyone is the same. Its really not a big deal. I am not WOTM Only and use other tracts as well. I am also not John MacArthur Only and read from many others as well.
 
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humblethinker said:
Yeah, good answer Annsni. If she is KJVO (which it sounds like it is the case) then maybe you should get more informed on the matter and maybe you could both share in your discovery of the truth. I'm speaking as though you don't know already... no offense intended... for all I know you may be well informed. What I'm getting at is in proper timing and in the right spirit it will need to be discussed. Few people enjoy being told that they're wrong but many more would appreciate a shared journey in the topic. Annsni is absolutely right, if it's important then communicate with her and let her know that "I may be wrong but let's look into this thing together". Also, I'd make sure that you don't communicate that for you to be correct on the KJVO issue gives more weight to the correctness of your belief in Calvinism. Keep them separated. Imo, for a guy in your position (as an evangelist?) they are both very important issues to discuss eventually though.
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Oh I agree with you 100% if she was KJVO then we would have a serious problem. However she is not KJVO, she is KJVP. My church uses the NKJV and she liked my church. David Jeremiah also uses that and she loves him. Jerry Bridges mostly uses the NIV and she loves him. When we have spoken I have referred to the NIV, the ESV, and the NKJV and she does not mind.

So yes I would agree if she was KJVO then we would have a problem. I can tell the difference as I have meet people on the dating sites that were KJVO and they always made a big deal of the fact that I read from other translations, attended a non KJVO church, and sometimes listen to rock music. Crystal has not done so, and so is KJV Preferred which is much different than a Only advocate.
 
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Maybe she is put off by the fact someone with an organization titled "Grace To You" sometimes exhibits very little of it in dealing with his brothers and sisters. I know it rubs me the wrong way.
 
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